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First of all iv'e just joined the forum and can't find the thread to introduce myself.
My name is Gaz and iv'e just completed my Nebosh general and i'm starting my Diploma in September.
I'm employed as a facilities manager so I cover some basic H&S on site.
I'm looking for a risk assessment template that ticks all the boxes, sorry if their has already been a thread discussing this.
The risk assessment template I'm currently using is ok however iv'e noticed some problems. The risk score, outcome x probability isn't the score of an individual hazard its based on the list of hazards on that RA for that task, is this acceptable?
The risk assessments are task specific.
Again apologies if this has been covered.
Gaz.
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Hi Gaz, welcome to the Madhouse.
Not really sure what you are trying to say. Task based RAs would normally identify a number of significant hazards associated with the actual task - for example, working with electricity, hand tools, working at height, etc. Each of these hazards should be identified with either a risk matrix (5x5 is the norm) and/or qualitative section explaining the controls in place to mitigate the risks.
I would not get too hung up on the numbers i.e. severity x probability, as this is only some guidance to highlight low, med, high risk activities. The important bits are the controls and whether they are adequate.
Ray
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Hi Gaz,
You could definitely do worse than refer to the HSE website. The have produced some very good stuff on RA.
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I might have a template for you to look at- PM me
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If I have understood correctly you have a task which identified a number of hazards associated with the task, but it is the whole task that has an overall rating of HML or a number.
You feel the tasks individual hazards should have their own HML or number allowing the more significant hazard(s) to stand out and be the focus of the most attention.
If this is correct then I would agree, however the other approach is not actually wrong. It would allow overall comparison of different tasks, I would guess. I would rate the individual hazards myself, with the most significant hazard giving the hazard rating to the whole task.
Chris
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Thanks guys thats so helpful.
@RayRapp Your right thats exactly the situation but I just feel paranoid that i'm not doing it to the best of my ability but if thats ok then great. I only ever seem to do task based RA's, i'm not really sure when I would do a generic RA, would that be more to cover a site or premises?
@wclark123B ill defiantly check out the HSE website, thanks.
@Chris42 You are absolutely right and it feels wrong to give 9 hazards 1 rating but if i'm doing it right thats fine. Just didn't want some H&S legend to criticise my RA's. The RA template that was given to me didn't even have a residual rating.
Could somebody be kind enough to explain when you would use a task based and a generic RA?
@jodieclark1510 I'll PM you for a template if thats ok, thanks.
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Basically there are two types of RAs in use - task based and hazard based. The former is usually preferred as it covers the whole task, they can be generic if the task is completed on more than one occasion, or if a similar task, tweaked a bit to fit the task. For most 'generic' RAs only the date/time and location are changed.
With respect, I think you need some more training to fully appreciate the nuances of RAs. That said, they are not rocket science. Do you not have access to a company h&s person who can assist you with the process?
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RayRapp wrote:Basically there are two types of RAs in use - task based and hazard based. The former is usually preferred as it covers the whole task, they can be generic if the task is completed on more than one occasion, or if a similar task, tweaked a bit to fit the task. For most 'generic' RAs only the date/time and location are changed.
With respect, I think you need some more training to fully appreciate the nuances of RAs. That said, they are not rocket science. Do you not have access to a company h&s person who can assist you with the process? I do fully understand RA's it's just that i'm fresh off the course. My problem is that I can pass tests by remembering answers associated with the question. Now I have the qualification I need to really understand why these things are done. To be honest they skimmed over RA's on the Nebosh course.
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Gasmonkey wrote:RayRapp wrote:Basically there are two types of RAs in use - task based and hazard based. The former is usually preferred as it covers the whole task, they can be generic if the task is completed on more than one occasion, or if a similar task, tweaked a bit to fit the task. For most 'generic' RAs only the date/time and location are changed.
With respect, I think you need some more training to fully appreciate the nuances of RAs. That said, they are not rocket science. Do you not have access to a company h&s person who can assist you with the process? I do fully understand RA's it's just that i'm fresh off the course. My problem is that I can pass tests by remembering answers associated with the question. Now I have the qualification I need to really understand why these things are done. To be honest they skimmed over RA's on the Nebosh course. Obviously I don't "fully" understand, lol.
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Hello Gasmonkey! Welcome to the profession. I know exactly how you feel and I'm sure most of us would agree - straight out of safety college and you feel you know nothing! You will be presented with problems not covered on the course and you just have to apply your knowledge to these new situations. It's what being a safety bod is all about. Always start with the law, then refer to your enforcers, HSE, LA or whoever, what do they say about the problem and likely solutions? If you follow the HSE's guidance and examples you won't go far wrong. My tutor on my diploma course spent a lot of time reviewing the HSE's own (internal) safety policies and inspectors guidance notes - if you know what they'll be looking for you know where to direct your resources. This forum is a useful sounding board, but choose who you listen to, there are some people who see it as an opportunity to show how clever they are and how incompetent they think you are and there are those who know nothing about the subject but still offer an opinion! Turning to the matter in hand, as others have said look at the HSE's guidance. The 5-step approach works well, but note nowhere do the they mention numeric matrices to evaluate the risk. In my organisation we use a qualitative approach - is the likelihood: Remote, Possible, Likely and is the Severity: Extreme, Serious, Moderate? (which I admit is a 3x3 matrix!) Trying to "score" risk is fraught with problems, unless you work in aviation or nuclear etc where there are comprehensive stats to accurately quantify risk eg accidents per hundred thousand flying hours etc. Remember, in making the evaluation you are prompting the question: "Must/can/should we do more?" Take a look at the HSE's example RAs http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/casestudies/index.htmYou don't say what type of facility you manage, but you may be able to find something to start you off. Good Luck. It does get easier with more knowledge and experience!
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Ian A-H wrote: This forum is a useful sounding board, but choose who you listen to, there are some people who see it as an opportunity to show how clever they are and how incompetent they think you are and there are those who know nothing about the subject but still offer an opinion!
I'm tempted to ask which one are you?...but I'll assume you are the 'useful' one. :)
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I'll admit I've fallen into all 3 camps in the past!
With age comes wisdom. I now try to keep my gob shut if I don't know and showing off in front of a load of people who know more than I do, just makes me look stupid, not clever.
(Please don't search through me earlier posts and prove me wrong!)
;-)
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As much as some people don't like to admit it- everyone has to start somewhere. I'm a newbie still, just never be afraid to ask the question- because i will guarantee someone else has already thought it and decided not to ask for one reason or another
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As RayRapp suggests, you need to contact the Co. H&S Bos and make sure you're following usual in-house protocol.
It's perfectly valid to (a) score tasks (b) score residual risk (c) not score any of it. The employer will usually be applying one consistent method.
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Thanks for all the great advice on this thread guys, really helpful and I feel so much more confident in the risk assessments I’m producing now.
I was going to start a new thread about this but I’m really happy with the response I’ve had from the people associated with this thread.
I wanted to know if anybody had a tick list of some sort for the structure for health and safety on a facility.
I am a facilities/ Security manager for a medical campus and there are no current H&S procedures in place. I went on my Nebosh and just risk assessed everything to start with. I feel like I’m all over the place at the minute with regards to putting procedures in place and wondered if there was a tick list out their.
So far I have created our H&S board, risk assessed every task and Bought and issued PPE to the facilities and security staff.
As previously discovered in this thread earlier I’m not the ideal candidate at the minute to lead with H&S on site but I’m the only one willing and I’m really interested in becoming better at this and hopefully concentrate on it becoming a career.
Thanks, Gaz.
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Gaz
PM me with your email and I will provide you with a list, some templates to get you started etc.
Jonty
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Gaz, PM me with your contact details and I will send you what templates I use for both assessment and SWP which you can alter till your heart's content
Cheers and Welcome
Martin
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