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DanKellett		#1 Posted : 27 August 2015 09:35:18(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		Morning All, Would anyone have a toolbox talk regarding smoking in company vehicles that they would be willing to share?. Thanks in advance. Dan
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mikecarr		#2 Posted : 27 August 2015 09:40:37(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		DanKellett wrote: Morning All, Would anyone have a toolbox talk regarding smoking in company vehicles that they would be willing to share?. Thanks in advance. Dan To be honest i wouldn't bother with a tool box talk. If it's comapny policy not to smoke in company vechiles then that's s al lthey need to know. Its also a legal offence i thought
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DanKellett		#3 Posted : 27 August 2015 09:54:36(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		Hi Mike, Thanks for the reply. It is company policy and like you say an offence. We have had an issue on a couple of sites with our workers being seen smoking in vans and one van having a cigarette burn. All staff are made aware that smoking isn't allowed but we have been asked by one of our clients to brief all staff at a stand down day. its a client speaks we do situation.
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walker		#4 Posted : 27 August 2015 10:03:56(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		DanKellett wrote: Hi Mike, Thanks for the reply. It is company policy and like you say an offence. We have had an issue on a couple of sites with our workers being seen smoking in vans and one van having a cigarette burn. All staff are made aware that smoking isn't allowed but we have been asked by one of our clients to brief all staff at a stand down day. its a client speaks we do situation. Just say what you say here.^^ The more you say, the better the chance the message gets lost.
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DanKellett		#5 Posted : 27 August 2015 10:06:38(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		Thanks Walker
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stonecold		#6 Posted : 27 August 2015 10:06:58(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Its not always an offence. I have a company car and as im the only driver its allowed.
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sutty		#7 Posted : 27 August 2015 10:07:08(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		I think (as Mike rightly put it), a toolbox talk is unnecessary. Toolbox Talks should be used to raise awareness of particular aspects of work. Smoking in company vehicles is illegal and has been for 8 years, it should be covered within your H&S policy and further if you have a driving/company vehicles policy. I would concentrate on enforcing their content rather than simply raising awareness, they should already know!
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Hally		#8 Posted : 27 August 2015 10:15:06(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		stonecold wrote: Its not always an offence. I have a company car and as im the only driver its allowed. Same for me, i don't smoke mind but not the point ;)
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Invictus		#9 Posted : 27 August 2015 10:17:12(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Stonecold, think your right as long as you are the only user. Get HR to speak with the employees, if it's against company policy and get them to warn them about future behaviour. It's not the role of H&S. When the ban come out I had an employee who openly smoked and no one would challenge him, I did but to this day he couldn't get his head around that it wasn't me, H&S who banned smoking in the workplace, it was a government ban and therefore illegal. Even now years on he still blames me.
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AllanFS		#10 Posted : 27 August 2015 10:54:27(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Dan By all means carry out the TBT. Mentioning Company Policy & disciplinary action if caught & for repeat offenders. Ensure they sign the TBT, this ensures there is evidence that they have been instructed.
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bob youel		#11 Posted : 27 August 2015 11:05:34(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		and get managers, supervisors etc. to undertake the task as its not your role [or it should not be]
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Guyzy1982		#12 Posted : 27 August 2015 11:26:22(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		I always was of the opinion a company car which is classed as a workplace/companies property, then it is illegal to smoke. No if's, no butt's, as a matter if speak
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stonecold		#13 Posted : 27 August 2015 11:27:57(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		its ok if you are the only driver.
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Invictus		#14 Posted : 27 August 2015 11:47:36(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Or have passengers
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Roundtuit		#15 Posted : 27 August 2015 11:49:02(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		...and company policy permits the single designated driver to smoke. Our company policy forbids any smoking in vehicles and requires display of a no smoking sign - still as the craving kicks in for a ciggy reminds me it is time to take a rest break on a long drive.
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Roundtuit		#16 Posted : 27 August 2015 11:49:02(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		...and company policy permits the single designated driver to smoke. Our company policy forbids any smoking in vehicles and requires display of a no smoking sign - still as the craving kicks in for a ciggy reminds me it is time to take a rest break on a long drive.
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DanKellett		#17 Posted : 27 August 2015 11:57:33(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		AllanFS wrote: Dan By all means carry out the TBT. Mentioning Company Policy & disciplinary action if caught & for repeat offenders. Ensure they sign the TBT, this ensures there is evidence that they have been instructed. Thanks for the response Allan, I have a briefing register that they will all sign to say they have received the briefing.
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DanKellett		#18 Posted : 27 August 2015 11:58:47(UTC)
Rank: New forum user		bob youel wrote: and get managers, supervisors etc. to undertake the task as its not your role [or it should not be] Unfortunately Bob, its seen as my role despite it being raised in the past.
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murray-t		#19 Posted : 27 August 2015 12:22:03(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		stonecold wrote: Its not always an offence. I have a company car and as im the only driver its allowed. Don't think that entirely true, one of our managers was pulled over on his way to work by a combined Police, DWP, immigration, Vehicle and Operator Services Agency ( VOSA ) (now Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency ( DVSA )) check whilst in his own car, which he uses for work , he was smoking at the time and because it was a vehicle used for work and insured as such he was fined £70, this was last year. So it appears that smoking is against the law in any vehicle used for work, but what the heck my wife smokes in our 4x4 which is registered to my company and insured for business use so i'll just have to take the fine if we're caught. Murray
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stonecold		#20 Posted : 27 August 2015 12:24:03(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		murray-t wrote: stonecold wrote: Its not always an offence. I have a company car and as im the only driver its allowed. Don't think that entirely true, one of our managers was pulled over on his way to work by a combined Police, DWP, immigration, Vehicle and Operator Services Agency ( VOSA ) (now Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency ( DVSA )) check whilst in his own car, which he uses for work , he was smoking at the time and because it was a vehicle used for work and insured as such he was fined £70, this was last year. So it appears that smoking is against the law in any vehicle used for work, but what the heck my wife smokes in our 4x4 which is registered to my company and insured for business use so i'll just have to take the fine if we're caught. Murray From the Govs website.. cheers Smoking in work vehicles Smoking isn’t allowed in any work vehicle that more than one person uses, eg: taxis buses vans goods vehicles used by more than one driver company cars used by more than one employee A worker can smoke in a company car that only they use if their employer agrees.
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murray-t		#21 Posted : 27 August 2015 12:35:15(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		stonecold wrote: murray-t wrote: stonecold wrote: Its not always an offence. I have a company car and as im the only driver its allowed. Don't think that entirely true, one of our managers was pulled over on his way to work by a combined Police, DWP, immigration, Vehicle and Operator Services Agency ( VOSA ) (now Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency ( DVSA )) check whilst in his own car, which he uses for work , he was smoking at the time and because it was a vehicle used for work and insured as such he was fined £70, this was last year. So it appears that smoking is against the law in any vehicle used for work, but what the heck my wife smokes in our 4x4 which is registered to my company and insured for business use so i'll just have to take the fine if we're caught. Murray From the Govs website.. cheers Smoking in work vehicles Smoking isn’t allowed in any work vehicle that more than one person uses, eg: taxis buses vans goods vehicles used by more than one driver company cars used by more than one employee A worker can smoke in a company car that only they use if their employer agrees. OK thanks for pointing that out and now thinking about it he was giving one of the lads a lift into work that day. Murray
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RayRapp		#22 Posted : 27 August 2015 12:39:42(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Back to the original request, I can guess who is the client and it's so typical of thier mentality to ask for a TBT for just about every ill under the Sun. The fact that their own staff often ignore or bypass the rules seem to escape their notice. To play Devil's advocate, I would politley decline their request and advise the client you will provide a reminder at the next stand down or whatever.
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Ron Hunter		#23 Posted : 27 August 2015 16:10:19(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		If you are going to the bother of gathering people together for a TBT, you'd be as well going over broader aspects of driving policy, seat belts, courteous driving, upholding company reputation, etc. etc. Add particular concern raised by your client re smoking.
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