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What are people's views on whether an organisation should have a designated Director Responsible for Health and Safety?
I have tended to try and resist this, on the basis that if we have one director labelled as 'responsible for health and safety', that might encourage the others to think they are 'off the hook', so to speak. I would prefer that it is at the front of every director's mind that they personally are responsible for health and safety - ie (in legal terms) that they share something equivalent to a joint-and-several liability.
The IOD/HSE INDG417 document has both statements that contradict this view (eg "The presence on the board of a health and safety director can be a strong signal that the issue is being taken seriously") and some that support it (eg good practice case study on British Sugar - "the chief executive assigning health and safety responsibilities to all directors").
The issue I am facing immediately is a revision of our QA procedures, in which the author of the discussion draft is proposing that we do have a single designated 'Director Responsible for Health and Safety'. It certainly makes it easier to write a procedure that talks about clearly defined roles and responsibilities, but I'm not convinced that it's an improvement to the safety performance of the company.
Which approach is best, in people's opinion?
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For me should be the head person and H&S should be direct to him and then it filters down, he has overall responsibilty. To often the lower down directors don't share information for fear of failure or assumed failure when things don't go right.
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There should 100% be a director accountable for safety, not to let others off the hook, but to be the person to act as the conduit between the exec/board, and the functional lead(s) in the business. Assigning responsibilities across directors is also possible by making them report as part of board/exec meetings, or giving them annual objectives around safety.
An executive committee will always have an FD, or director accountable for finance, and most if not all directors will have some finance based responsibilities that they report on or finance targets to achieve.
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Corfield35303 wrote: An executive committee will always have an FD, or director accountable for finance, and most if not all directors will have some finance based responsibilities that they report on or finance targets to achieve.
Actually, ours does not have a single director accountable for finance. The individual directors have responsibility for financial performance of their parts of the business, in much the same way actually that they have responsibility for safety performance of their parts of the business. We don't have any 'functional' directors responsible for safety, or responsible for finance, or responsible for HR.
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All of the organisations I have worked for have had a H&S Director or one director responsible for h&s, except my current organisation. I think it is important to have one person who can focus on the subject, but I also agree other directors should be aware of h&s initiatives, hence h&s should be on the agenda of every Board meeting.
I believe by not having one director solely responsible for h&s matters can be diluted. Fudging responsibility and accountability could be a real problem. The other issue with spreading responsibility is the knowledge of h&s matters of individual directors. Sure they may have attended a Directing Safely course or similar, but that in itself does not make them an expert in h&s.
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Other functions all have Directors...HR/Finance/Operations/Marketing/etc that does not mean that other directors are not made aware of salient issues in those functional areas or indeed are they less responsible for issues in those functional areas.
For example the marketing Director will have responsibility for all HR/Fiscal/operational issues in his area. However when discussing strategy the "expert opinion" and advice on what strategic path the organisation needs to tread comes from the "functional expert".
Why on earth would you not have a "functional" expert on the board when you are discussing health, safety, environment and quality which are the most important areas of your business (your people and your customer] and the highest risk areas for reputation damage.
Just because you have a safety Director it does not mean that he alone is responsible for safety, at the end of the day the CEO or whatever title you give the person at the top is responsible for delivering all functions to the business plan which includes QHSE.....why on earth would you not have the best advice on tap at the top table.
The QHSE Director is then left to drive change, engage and continuously deliver improvement with the mandate of the board.
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A construction company I do some work for have a director responsible for health and safety.
He requests my work and I carry it out, he counter signs every method statement and represents the company as far as safety is concerned at every meeting. I attend some meetings.
The MD signs the safety policy statement.
The safety policy contains a responsibility chart showing all responsibilities, including myself as safety consultant.
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Nothing to prevent a specific portfolio allocation. QA docs. should make clear what that entails at Board level. That allocation does not preclude others from accountability.
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Oldroyd19659 wrote:Other functions all have Directors...HR/Finance/Operations/Marketing/etc that does not mean that other directors are not made aware of salient issues in those functional areas or indeed are they less responsible for issues in those functional areas.
This keeps getting stated (at least, this is the second time it has been explicitly sated, but it seems to underlie some of the other comments). So I say again - NO, HR does not have a specific director, NO finance does not have a specific director, NO operations does not have a specific director, and so on. The repeated assertions that all organisations have a finance director or all organisation have a marketing director or whatever are not true. The organisation I am discussing does not divide responsibilities in that way - in general, directors are responsible for all aspects of the operations undertaken by a particular section of the business, not responsible for a particular aspect of the operations undertaken by all sections the business. Oldroyd19659 wrote: Why on earth would you not have a "functional" expert on the board when you are discussing health, safety, environment and quality which are the most important areas of your business (your people and your customer] and the highest risk areas for reputation damage.
This comment seems to assume that all organisations have infinite capability to recruit new directors to fulfil every possible role. Are you suggesting that every company should have a specific expert health director, and every company should have a specific expert safety director, and every company should have a specific expert environment director, and every company should have a specific expert quality director? So every company must have at least four directors (plus presumably the one that worries about actually doing whatever it is the company actually does)? It's not the company I'm discussing, but are you advocating that the company I own, which has two directors (me and Mrs me) and no employees should immediately employ four directors to fulfil these functions? If it doesn't apply to that company, why does the requirement to have these four function-specific experts apply to the company I am considering? If it's not four function-specific experts, but only one, then actually they aren't a function-specific expert, are they, and why can that director cover these things alongside other things but the others can't cover (eg) health and safety alongside their other things?
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I think perhaps we should have asked about the size of the company !!!
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I report into a senior manager who then attends the director meeting, the director attends the board meeting at the board meeting there is a H&S expert (haha) sorry I know him. I submit a report to my senior manager, who also has other areas that he managers, quality, HR, Marketing some aspects of the business i.e. bringing in work to be completed by inmates. There are other senior managers who carryout other aspects of the company but they all also have multi roles.
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achrn wrote:Corfield35303 wrote: An executive committee will always have an FD, or director accountable for finance, and most if not all directors will have some finance based responsibilities that they report on or finance targets to achieve.
Actually, ours does not have a single director accountable for finance. The individual directors have responsibility for financial performance of their parts of the business, in much the same way actually that they have responsibility for safety performance of their parts of the business. We don't have any 'functional' directors responsible for safety, or responsible for finance, or responsible for HR. I guess the size/structure of the business is very relevant and the difference are not something we all appreciate. Even in the business you mention, without functional directors, there will still be financial accountability, someone has to sign-off the annual accounts and that will be the chief executive...? So with safety, even without there being a director accountable for safety, its worth building this in somewhere, even if its the chief executive. I say this because if the board is purely a chief executive with say four operational directors each responsible for their division, where does the challenge come from when they mess it up in one of their divisions? If you have a corporate affairs director or HR director who does this (and champions it) at board level its a great asset, if not then it would be great to somehow coach/advise the chief executive to do this challenging. Not my day-job, but I'm involved with a charity with 450 employees who do not have the luxury of appointing a director to have this in their portfolio, the chief executive does the challenging...
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achrn This comment seems to assume that all organisations have infinite capability to recruit new directors to fulfil every possible role. Are you suggesting that every company should have a specific expert health director, and every company should have a specific expert safety director, and every company should have a specific expert environment director, and every company should have a specific expert quality director? So every company must have at least four directors (plus presumably the one that worries about actually doing whatever it is the company actually does)? [/quote wrote:
Just to add, I don't think anyone is suggesting employing experts, merely apportioning accountabilities to existing directors, very few large businesses have H&S professionals at exec level, but someone often gets it in their portfolio. Over the years I've seen a number of operational as well as non-operational directors pick this up, they are then the 'representative' rather than the expert at the top table.
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Corfield35303 wrote: Just to add, I don't think anyone is suggesting employing experts, merely apportioning accountabilities to existing directors, very few large businesses have H&S professionals at exec level, but someone often gets it in their portfolio.
This is kind of getting at what I was trying (badly) to articulate, I think: It was said "Why on earth would you not have a "functional" expert on the board when you are discussing health, safety, environment and quality which are the most important areas of your business". But that's not an option on the table - if we were to have a director responsible for safety, it wouldn't be a new expert in health and safety, it would be one of the existing directors (with their existing levels of expertise) designated as now 'responsible for health and safety'. Employing a new technical expert with professional H&S background is not an option. Actually, I quite like working for an organisation where all the board members are (or have been) technically expert at doing what the company does - we don't have a board containing any professional bean-counters, or professional HRs, or professional managers, we have a board of people that can do what the workforce does, all of whom can deliver what the company delivers (within bounds of differing areas of technical expertise). It's probably a consequence of the company having grown out of being a partnership - historically the company was run by the partners, each of whom personally did what the company does. The management structure has remained, even as the company has changed form. Notwithstanding which, it is interesting that the universal view seems to be that one of these people should be designated as responsible for health and safety across the business as a whole. It seems my aversion to this is very much a minority opinion.
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achrn wrote:What are people's views on whether an organisation should have a designated Director Responsible for Health and Safety?
I have tended to try and resist this, on the basis that if we have one director labelled as 'responsible for health and safety', that might encourage the others to think they are 'off the hook', so to speak. I would prefer that it is at the front of every director's mind that they personally are responsible for health and safety - ie (in legal terms) that they share something equivalent to a joint-and-several liability.
The IOD/HSE INDG417 document has both statements that contradict this view (eg "The presence on the board of a health and safety director can be a strong signal that the issue is being taken seriously") and some that support it (eg good practice case study on British Sugar - "the chief executive assigning health and safety responsibilities to all directors").
The issue I am facing immediately is a revision of our QA procedures, in which the author of the discussion draft is proposing that we do have a single designated 'Director Responsible for Health and Safety'. It certainly makes it easier to write a procedure that talks about clearly defined roles and responsibilities, but I'm not convinced that it's an improvement to the safety performance of the company.
Which approach is best, in people's opinion?
achrn....yes you did articulate it badly you did not say it was your company - and you had you and mrs you.....its not an typical structured large organisation.....are you even an SME. You said you wanted HSE at the forefront of every directors mind and then you say there is only two of you yet you pick out research from British Sugar. If you want salient comment ask a question that is properly contextualised and you may get a cogent answer. I would suggest that yourself as CEO or your wife as CEO2 go on a health and safety course as you are both "the controlling mind" as you have no other directors and name yourselves as responsible because you are anyway. You can hire in help via a consultant but that does not absolve you of your legal obligations or liability as an employer. Next time you want a response from a forum like this I would suggest you put all the facts up first rather than critically dissecting what people have written.
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Or is it that People like a scapegoat? In the US it is widely recognised that the safety director is the guy that goes to jail when an sufficiently severe incident Warrants it...
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Oldroyd19659 wrote: achrn....yes you did articulate it badly you did not say it was your company - and you had you and mrs you.....its not an typical structured large organisation.....are you even an SME. #
Please read what I wrote before going off on one: "It's not the company I'm discussing, but are you advocating that the company I own, which has two directors (me and Mrs me) and no employees should immediately employ four directors to fulfil these functions?" I am NOT discussing the company I own. The company I am discussing is NOT a two-person company, it's a multi-site company with turnover measured in millions. The company I own is a different company. The company I own was offered as an example to demonstrate that the assertion that all companies always have a Finance director and other functional-specific directors is plainly not the whole story. Many companies do not. Next time you want to lambaste someone on a forum like this I would suggest you read all the facts put up.
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achrn, from what you describe I would agree with you and argue that as each director has sole responsibility for their own operations that in fact they become de facto CEO of that section. H&S responsibilities would have to automatically go through them to the overall CEO. It wouldn't make any sense to then give one of a multitude of responsibilities to just one of them.
However, I think my overall concern of this type of approach is how this impacts the H&S of the organization as a whole. For me one of the most helpful aspects of having a single pair of eyes to oversee what is happening everywhere is that it encourages information sharing across the piece and any learning in one area travels more easily. Having separate responsibilities the way you describe is more likely to encourage a silo approach where there is a "I'm alright Jack" attitude. Although I should say, for me, that would be across the piece not just in H&S and if it works in all other areas of responsibility...
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In your original question you wrote "our" QA procedures which implies they are your when you pipe up about you and mrs you...to be fair your boring me now
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Just to add, we operate on models of responsibility and accountability, typically specialist H&S managers are responsible (day-to-day) and an operational director is accountable, i.e. they get it in the neck when it goes wrong, having an exec or board level director who isn't a specialist but also takes on a level of collective accountability at senior level helps to focus the minds of those who have accountability at section/business level.
Importantly this also serves two other purposes:
1. To remove ownership and governance of safety from the H&S specialist, and allocate it to leadership, and;
2. To demystify safety as a business activity and bring it into the mainstream of thinking at the business.
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Corfield35303 wrote: 2. To demystify safety as a business activity and bring it into the mainstream of thinking at the business.
This is what I like with our model - a director running a business group knows (s)he's not simply responsible for getting the product out the door, they're responsible for the safety of the people who have to get the product out the door, and not only is the director responsible for safety, there's no-one else 'more' responsible for it. I know that even with a designated safety director all the others will retain a corporate responsibility, but I think it is likely to foster a different attitude if someone else is over-archingly responsible. Having said which (and as previously noted) I now recognise that this seems to be very much a minority approach.
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