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greengary  
#1 Posted : 16 September 2015 11:47:47(UTC)
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greengary

Can anyone offer some advice? I am the safety advisor on a medium / large manufacturing site. The site consists of two main buildings, the buildings are apart ( 50m ) from each other and to all intense and purposes are not physically connected – the fire alarm / detection system is configured in such a way the only the effected building alarms and evacuates in the event of a call point or smoke / beam detector being activated. My issue is when people from building (a) venture to building (b) and Vis versa. If an associate is on the building (a) fire register and thier work takes them to building (b) if an evacuation takes place they will be unaware and will therefore not be present for roll call at their normal place of work. This is a particular issue with material handlers that regularly move raw materials and WIP between buildings (these people may even be between locations). Does anyone know of a system that will automatically track peoples movements around a site ( including lift truck operators) and that will give a instant acknowledgement of peoples whereabouts in an emergency situation. Manual sign in / out systems have proved clumbersome and unworkable. Any help appreciated Gary
Guyzy1982  
#2 Posted : 16 September 2015 11:56:30(UTC)
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Guyzy1982

I would look into a fire marshal system with trained staff being appointed to carry out the role of a fire marshal including sweeping the building if safe and where safe to do so ensuring all areas of the building are cleared of persons. I will use the metro centre as an example (large shopping complex which is the bain of my life on a weekend when i get dragged around), shoppers don't sign in and sign out, so i believe they have staff on duty that will know when a fire alarm is activated that they sweep the area as quickly as possible to make sure there is no one left in or if they are trapped. cost effective in my opinion.
Andrew W Walker  
#3 Posted : 16 September 2015 12:12:34(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

We have a 'sweep' system- Fire Wardens sweep a given area to make sure that everyone is out. I've found that roll calls are almost impossible to manage in a large area where people are in and out. In my opinion there is no value in a roll call. We used to have a roll call system here- at a Directors insistence- it never worked. After 3 years of trying we now use the sweep system. Hope this helps. Andy
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 16 September 2015 14:21:53(UTC)
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firesafety101

How about a simple instruction for all workers who are in the "other" building when an alarm sound should return to their own workplace.
greengary  
#5 Posted : 16 September 2015 16:19:35(UTC)
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greengary

Unfortunately at the moment there is no indication in one building of an alarm being triggered in the other.
Jimothy999  
#6 Posted : 16 September 2015 16:33:33(UTC)
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Jimothy999

If you wish to stick to rolls calls then you may wish to have the alarms between buildings linked. Have a common assembly point and you can then account for all staff easily. I have done this in the past when faced with this issue.
SHV  
#7 Posted : 17 September 2015 08:29:34(UTC)
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SHV

Gary I have heard in offshore installations sometimes using electronic chips , so when the employee goes from installation to the barge and vise versa they have exact number of people in each installation particularly in emergency situations... SHV
saferay  
#8 Posted : 17 September 2015 09:44:24(UTC)
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saferay

Fire Wardens!
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 18 September 2015 12:12:44(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As has been said as weep system is what you need. The old fashioned fire assembly procedure is going out of fashion for just the reasons you mentioned. As for indicating that a building's fire alarm has gone off, it should not be too difficult to fit a flashing red beacon at the entrance.
A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 18 September 2015 12:13:53(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I mean sweep of course...makes you want to cry
Kate  
#11 Posted : 19 September 2015 09:28:18(UTC)
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Kate

Fire marshals to check each area is clear - and someone designated to stand outside each entrance to turn back anyone trying to enter. If you do this, you can do away with your roll call.
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