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DHM  
#1 Posted : 07 September 2015 11:33:28(UTC)
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DHM

Good morning all,

I wanted to ask about the rules concerning dogs in places where food is served.
I understand that assistance dogs are generally welcomed in shops, cafes etc as they have been trained.

Why are some cafe owners permitting none assistance dogs to come in with their owners and others do not?

Thanks
DHM
Alan Haynes  
#2 Posted : 07 September 2015 12:39:14(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

DHM wrote:
...............Why are some cafe owners permitting none assistance dogs to come in with their owners and others do not?


The question surely should be - is there any [legal] reason why they cannot allow dogs in.



As an aside - once a year we take a drive down to Italy with our dog. There are few problems finding hotels along the route that accept dogs in the bedrooms and the hotel restaurant. Indeed, the Logis de France hotel listings brochure clearly shows which hotels do permit this.

It seems a very 'British' thing to ban dogs
sidestep45  
#3 Posted : 07 September 2015 14:05:03(UTC)
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Invictus  
#4 Posted : 07 September 2015 14:26:06(UTC)
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Invictus

Not in cafes or work!
walker  
#5 Posted : 07 September 2015 14:46:14(UTC)
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walker

I wish hotels,cafés pubs etc would clearly indicate that dogs and small children are welcome.
That way I could avoid them & take my custom elsewhere.

I have no problem with either, its just their owners think the rest of us find them irresistibly cute too.
DHM  
#6 Posted : 07 September 2015 14:52:39(UTC)
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DHM

Thanks everyone.
Invictus  
#7 Posted : 07 September 2015 15:37:50(UTC)
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Invictus

walker wrote:
I wish hotels,cafés pubs etc would clearly indicate that dogs and small children are welcome.
That way I could avoid them & take my custom elsewhere.

I have no problem with either, its just their owners think the rest of us find them irresistibly cute too.


Well said!
chris42  
#8 Posted : 09 September 2015 10:09:20(UTC)
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chris42

DHM wrote:
Good morning all,

I wanted to ask about the rules concerning dogs in places where food is served.
I understand that assistance dogs are generally welcomed in shops, cafes etc as they have been trained.

Why are some cafe owners permitting none assistance dogs to come in with their owners and others do not?

Thanks
DHM


Perhaps some require / like the unique "wet dog" smell to cover up the smell of what their cooking and others don't.
IanDakin  
#9 Posted : 09 September 2015 10:37:04(UTC)
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IanDakin

Hi DHM

Where food is served, then it would be the discretion of the owners of the business. They may find that they get a lot of custom from dog owners. They may wish to state that only well behaved dogs are allowed in.

As dog ownership is growing, it may be good business practice to allow this, even if you do loose the custom of a few people who would rather not be near dogs or children.

Food preparation areas are another matter altogether as dogs shed at least as much hair as chefs and unlike chefs do not wear whites and a hat. They also have a habit of licking people's hands. Therefore they are likely to fall foul of the Food Hygiene Regs as they could cause contamination and affect the personal hygiene of the food handlers.

Ian
watcher  
#10 Posted : 09 September 2015 10:43:24(UTC)
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watcher

I'm with Walker on this one.

I really don't undertstand this desire to inflict a dirty, smelly, furball onto other people, whether it's at work or in cafes.

It's as if dogs have some sort of status in the world of pets. They don't.

Graham Bullough  
#11 Posted : 09 September 2015 11:44:55(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

As an aside to this thread, about 8 years ago when I visited a remote pub (coincidentally the highest one in the UK) in the Yorkshire Dales there was a sizeable sheep wandering around in the main bar. It had a penchant for beer and apparently its preferred brand was "Black Sheep"! Sadly, it wasn't a great conversationalist and simply uttered something about the bar from time to time! It was better behaved than some dogs and also didn't seem to leave any liquid or squishy deposits on the floor. Even if it had done so, the deposits would have been readily removable from the flagstone flooring which was also highly appropriate for visiting walkers with muddy boots.

The photo I took inside the bar at the time shows the sheep wearing a blue collar, so perhaps it was a resident rather than a visitor. Also, as the pub is prone to getting cut off by snow in Winter, sometimes for prolonged periods, could it be that the sheep was kept as an emergency supply of fresh (beer-flavoured) meat just in case the pub's meat stocks ran very low?!!! :-)
Ron Hunter  
#12 Posted : 09 September 2015 13:17:52(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

DHM wrote:


I wanted to ask about the rules concerning dogs in places where food is served.

DHM


There are no rules. The rise of Cat Cafes being a case in point. As others say, it is nice to know what you might be walking into. I like cats. I like dogs. Not when I'm eating though.
walker  
#13 Posted : 09 September 2015 13:25:30(UTC)
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walker

Graham Bullough wrote:
As an aside to this thread, about 8 years ago when I visited a remote pub (coincidentally the highest one in the UK) in the Yorkshire Dales there was a sizeable sheep wandering around in the main bar. It had a penchant for beer and apparently its preferred brand was "Black Sheep"! Sadly, it wasn't a great conversationalist and simply uttered something about the bar from time to time! It was better behaved than some dogs and also didn't seem to leave any liquid or squishy deposits on the floor. Even if it had done so, the deposits would have been readily removable from the flagstone flooring which was also highly appropriate for visiting walkers with muddy boots.

The photo I took inside the bar at the time shows the sheep wearing a blue collar, so perhaps it was a resident rather than a visitor. Also, as the pub is prone to getting cut off by snow in Winter, sometimes for prolonged periods, could it be that the sheep was kept as an emergency supply of fresh (beer-flavoured) meat just in case the pub's meat stocks ran very low?!!! :-)


I bet it was called Shaun.
andrewjb1  
#14 Posted : 10 September 2015 16:32:54(UTC)
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andrewjb1

Common sense approach here, its seems only in the UK do we get hung up on this and many European countries are more tolerant to man's best friend... EU legislation on hygiene of food does not actually specifically state that dogs should not be allowed into a bar or restaurant and, in actual fact, he legislation doesn’t state that dogs are not allowed in the kitchen either.

If you didn't want the dog in the venue, you could stipulate only well behaved dog or if there was a genuine reason i.e. a lack of space means they could be a trip hazard to waiting staff.

The British Food Standards Agency simply recommends that domestic pets should be kept out of kitchens when preparing food.

The reason for this is firstly, common sense, as with food hygiene procedures to prevent any cross contamination but of course the legislation allows flexibility, especially for the many thousands of people who operate kitchens from a domestic premises, guest houses or hotels where they may keep family pets on the premises.

In simple terms, the legislation means that it is fine for the business owner, proprietor or landlord to keep a family pet on the premises, provided that this family pet is not allowed into the kitchen and other food preparation areas, ideally all the time, but particularly during meal times or other times when food is being handled.

If you are allowing pets in the food preparation areas then you will need to demonstrate that you have procedures in place to adequately wash and disinfect work surfaces and cooking utensils before any food handling or preparation takes place.

Other considerations include, being mindful not to discriminate by not allowing guide or assistance dogs on the premises and by balancing their clientele’s needs and whether or not they want to be seen as dog friendly?

Personally I get really annoyed with venues using health and safety as an excuse with this one.
Graham Bullough  
#15 Posted : 18 September 2015 18:38:58(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

This thread sprang to mind yesterday when I stopped at a sizeable cafe during a cycle ride. In the entrance was a prominent sign which was worded something like: 'Dear Doggies - you are welcome to bring your humans into our cafe if they are clean, well-behaved and kept on a lead. Love & kisses (name of cafe owner).' With its humorous wording the sign seemed to be a reasonably effective and friendly way for the cafe owner to advise patrons with dogs. There were about 4 dogs to be seen inside the cafe at the time - all well-behaved, on leads and never uttering a squeak never mind a bark!

p.s. My thanks to Ron Hunter for his post at #12 which enlightened me about the existence of Cat Cafes. Out of simple curiosity, does anyone know of similar types of establishments which feature other creatures?! Also, thank goodness nobody has posted any ribald/bawdy comments about Cat Cafes; such comments could lower the professional tone of this forum and bring it into disrepute! :-)
nic168  
#16 Posted : 22 September 2015 11:24:25(UTC)
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nic168

I have a small dog and have found that most places that allow dogs in certain areas indicate so on the door- if you wish to avoid them you can. Much more difficult with small children, many of who seem to be far more disruptive than the dogs and far less likely to sit quietly under the table on command.

What is a Cat cafe?
SP900308  
#17 Posted : 22 September 2015 11:49:56(UTC)
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SP900308

An interesting thread.
It's interesting looking at the comments regarding small children being disruptive. I personally find that often the adults 'spoil' the experience for me... bad language, loud, ignorant, greedy, nosey, selfish etc.

As for dogs, I'm pleased to see certain places are now providing specific fenced grassed areas for dog owners to let their dogs go. I often see signs stating 'dogs to be kept on a short lead' but more often these signs, as well as 'pick up your dog poo' signs are ignored. Often blatantly by the seemingly arrogant location of dog poo next to said signage / bins!

Sorry, off on a tangent there! So the minority have caused an irreversible bad opinion of dogs for me, having said that, the same can often be said for adults!

My local pub is now a blend of eaters, locals (punters) and families. It is an open plan pub which simply doesn't work. Children run around, dogs sat in walkways, punters swearing around the bar, families sat eating in earshot, seems to be the way forward for these types of establishments?
Ron Hunter  
#18 Posted : 22 September 2015 15:40:36(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Nic168 wrote:

What is a Cat cafe?


e.g.

http://www.chroniclelive...ect-cafe-culture-8401125

"As well as helping people relax and unwind, there is a growing body of evidence that suggests interacting with cats and other animals improves health and wellbeing.
Studies have found that petting cats can lower blood pressure, reduce stress and anxiety levels, reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease and improve survival rates from heart attacks."

Not a universal truth of course, as witnessed by Sean Connery and others:


"No Mr Bond - I expect you to die!"
biker1  
#19 Posted : 23 September 2015 08:46:41(UTC)
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biker1

It's worth bearing in mind that people are probably less at risk from a clean, well looked after dog than they are from other people. Dogs don't carry C Difficile, Norovirus or MRSA (or colds and flu for that matter). They also have a natural antibiotic in their saliva.
biker1  
#20 Posted : 23 September 2015 08:50:07(UTC)
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biker1

Someone is bound to mention toxaplasmosis, but that disease originates in cats, not dogs.

Food for thought, if you'll excuse the pun.
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