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Nimble057  
#1 Posted : 29 September 2015 09:45:56(UTC)
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Nimble057

Hi Folks I'm due to head out to Saudi for work in the next few weeks and was a=wondering if anyone could provide me some sage advice I might not get elsewhere? I'm due to be working on an FM contract but at interview a month back it still looked like one massive construction site with very little going on. Any advice is greatly appreciated
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 29 September 2015 09:52:02(UTC)
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RayRapp

There is an ex-pats website where you can ask questions and read other people's comments re Saudi -can't recall the name of it but a Google search should find it. Well worth a look in my opinion.
Ciaran Delaney  
#3 Posted : 29 September 2015 10:29:47(UTC)
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Ciaran Delaney

Hi Nimble, Depends first of all, if you're male or female! I have a good friend ln Saudi and he tells me that it is very strict out there. Just back from Bahrain last week after spending a week there. If you are close to Baharin (across the causeway from Saudi), I would be seeking to join the British Club where you can enjoy all the comforts of home and a beer. Great grub and all the sports from home, swimming pool, the works). It's an oasis of tranquility from the mad pace of life out there. If you want to send me details of location, organisation etc via email to ciaranmdelaney@gmail.com, I'll ask my friend what he can knows about them. Best Regards, Ciarán Delaney IOSH Council
Nimble057  
#4 Posted : 29 September 2015 11:44:55(UTC)
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Nimble057

Many thanks for the responses; I've already scoured the expat blogs and websites what I was really looking for were the views of "'one of us''. Culturally its such a sea change I wondered if there was any hints and tips for trying to push the safety agenda in such an environment?
biker1  
#5 Posted : 29 September 2015 15:22:13(UTC)
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biker1

Get your visa well in advance, but also be prepared to fill in an entry form when you get there, and it'll take you at least an hour to get through passport control, probably longer. I assume you are male, as females would not be allowed to work out there. Most taxi drivers are Asian, and it is expected that you negotiate the fare with them. Dress and act sensibly, and respect their customs. I agree that Bahrain is worth a visit if you're close enough to the causeway, in contrast to Saudi it's probably the most liberal of the Arab states.
David Bannister  
#6 Posted : 29 September 2015 15:55:46(UTC)
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David Bannister

My comments are based on what others have told me and what I have read, not first hand experience. The work is mainly done by non-Saudis, with a wide variety of languages, cultures, customs, attitudes to work and backgrounds. If you are to be a H&S advisor/manager/officer/scapegoat, be prepared to be frustrated, annoyed, contradicted, ignored by all. Expect to be blamed for accidents with the looming threat of jail. If you are not "connected" you are nothing. I repeat, this is hearsay but widely said. Good luck.
Ian Bell2  
#7 Posted : 30 September 2015 08:08:16(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Always have enough ready cash in your pocket to buy an aeroplane ticket at a moments notice, back to Europe - just in case the men with swords appear who might want you to appear in your own personal video wearing an orange jump suit.
Peter Clifton  
#8 Posted : 30 September 2015 08:44:47(UTC)
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Peter Clifton

I worked at the main Jeddah airport in the 80s for a few years, but I Saudi has changed much The main tips is: Learn a bit of the language. i.e. how are you etc. It really helps at customs, checkpoints etc. Do not expect to everything to work as it does in the UK. Try to adapt, change with the circumstances (men kissing men on the cheeks - like the French, men holding hands) Once, one of my Saudi staff wanted to show me his new car, so he took my hand and we walked down the corridor to together Expect (and respect) the class system - Saudis, assorted westerners, Philippinos, Bangladeshis Don't expect to see many women, all the cleaners, cooks etc. are men and finally: Try not to get wound up with the culture change
Nimble057  
#9 Posted : 30 September 2015 09:38:26(UTC)
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Nimble057

Many thanks for all the feedback. Dave - thanks for pointing out the jail thing - really made my day! I don't suppose you've any further details I hadn't come across that particular horror story Peter - many thanks your words reflected pretty much what I'd already heard - was a shock to the system at the interview - some of the sights were shocking to say the least. Everyone so far has emphasized a ''baby steps'' approach.
Ian Bell2  
#10 Posted : 30 September 2015 10:58:33(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Not sure why my comment was removed - I simply said always ensure you have enough ready cash to buy an airline ticket back to Europe, just in case it turns violent out there.
Ian Bell2  
#11 Posted : 30 September 2015 11:04:06(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Make sure you have a means of getting home quickly and easily.
Steve Granger  
#12 Posted : 30 September 2015 11:27:04(UTC)
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Steve Granger

Respect and you will be respected, be very polite, and observe all protocols such as name referral. Arabs are fantastic hosts - let them. Ask them - it is not wrong to admit you want to learn their custom, they will be pleased and talk frankly. Think ahead of their custom - and anticipate prayer time in your meetings etc. Don't be late - they may be, you should not. I strongly advise you read up on Islamic belief to contextualise their culture. I did and it paid dividends. There is an 'Idiots Guide' series of books which covers the culture and history of Islam which is short and very helpful - worth reading. I wrote down key words and phrases and kept it in my pocket until I could remember them.
aud  
#13 Posted : 30 September 2015 12:58:09(UTC)
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aud

I have not worked in Saudi (being female) but have drawn up a safety training programme for a UK organisation operating there. In terms of safety culture, (rather than the very important other 'culture') I picked up the following: There is a great love of formality, systems and accreditation. (IIRSM is a good one being internationally) The more words in training slides or manual the better (!). There is an expectation that safety advisers are the expert on everything technical, and impose rules;
malcarleton  
#14 Posted : 01 October 2015 13:46:27(UTC)
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malcarleton

Hi Nimble057, I've been working in Saudi for the last 10 years, PM me and I'll answer any specificquestions you may have as best as I can.
malcarleton  
#15 Posted : 01 October 2015 14:00:25(UTC)
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malcarleton

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