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Colossians 1:14  
#1 Posted : 07 October 2015 09:01:27(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

We have a directive from our client (a major construction company) that they will no longer allow disposable masks to be used by sub-contractors on their sites. A quite concerning statement from their head of health and safety states "It has been identified that the disposable type respirators offer minimal protection EVEN IF WORN CORRECTLY".....I would be interested how this could impact future court cases where respiratory diseases are the subject; after years of using inadequate disposable masks that provided minimal protection! Anybody got recommendations on the best 'press to check' mask to use going forward?
JohnW  
#2 Posted : 07 October 2015 09:33:08(UTC)
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JohnW

I can't answer your question, but some 'disposable' masks are better than others. Ask your client to produce the documentary evidence for his statement, does it refer to masks tested and CE approved to EN 149.
Colossians 1:14  
#3 Posted : 07 October 2015 09:56:37(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

JohnW wrote:
I can't answer your question, but some 'disposable' masks are better than others. Ask your client to produce the documentary evidence for his statement, does it refer to masks tested and CE approved to EN 149.
I'm keeping my head firmly below the parapet, I've made the mistake of asking questions before. Ill just get the masks they want!!!
dan_ellis  
#4 Posted : 07 October 2015 10:23:58(UTC)
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dan_ellis

Surely all FFP3 masks made to British Standards and certified along with a Face Fit Test should comply!!!?? Some Construction Firms do have their own PPE rules for Contractors though. Go on a Skanka site and you have to wear safety glasses at all times, yet most of other sites you don't! The 'Press to Check' sysytem by JSP has been tested and proven to be as good or better than as a Face Fitted piece, but the HSE won't allow it to be checked by the user it must be Fit Tested also! Keep us posted Colossians!
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 07 October 2015 10:41:27(UTC)
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RayRapp

If the client is also the Principal Contractor then they can dictate what they like, that's the rule of the game. That said, it does seem odd. Disposable face masks (FFP2/3) come in different types and if used frequently can prove to be expensive in a dusty environment. There is a more robust type where only the filter is disposable, more expensive initially, but a saving in the long term. The other draw back with these is they have to be managed because the filter is only recommended for 4 weeks, or less if in a particularly dusty environment. May be worth taking a look and seeing whether these will conform to your client's dictate. Playing Devil's Advocate (again) I would be tempted to follow up the reasoning behind this decision and if there were any caveats. You could always cite 'updating your RA' if you needed an excuse.
A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 08 October 2015 15:31:11(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Yes Press to check is not a substitute for face fit testing as face fit it constitutes both an external check that the mask is suitable for that employee(too easy for them to put it on and say it passes the self check) and a training exercise to ensure that employee actually understands why they are wearing the face mask and how to put it on correctly. Finally it is an opportunity to ensure that they are not entering into any beard growing contests!
Kate  
#7 Posted : 08 October 2015 19:09:14(UTC)
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Kate

The user has always been supposed to do a 'fit check' each time the mask is used as well as having had a face fit test. 'Press to check' is just a new way of doing the 'fit check' not a substitute for the face fit test.
Colossians 1:14  
#8 Posted : 12 October 2015 09:37:12(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

Kate wrote:
The user has always been supposed to do a 'fit check' each time the mask is used as well as having had a face fit test. 'Press to check' is just a new way of doing the 'fit check' not a substitute for the face fit test.
I thought that a pre-use check was to be carried out before each use, not a face fit test?
Colossians 1:14  
#9 Posted : 12 October 2015 09:59:31(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

Kate, misread you post you obviously are not referring to face fit tests before each use!!!!!
Kate  
#10 Posted : 12 October 2015 11:59:33(UTC)
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Kate

I was referring to the "fit check" which is normally done by covering over the filter and seeing if there is suction/pressure. That's distinct from a "fit test" which is done with either a testable substance or a particle counter. A "pre-use check" is also needed - that to me is a visual check that the thing is undamaged, in date etc.
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 12 October 2015 13:16:00(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Could this be a simple miscommunication perhaps? Do they mean "nuisance" dust masks perhaps? http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2003/e03003.htm
Colossians 1:14  
#12 Posted : 12 October 2015 13:20:31(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

Ron Hunter wrote:
Could this be a simple miscommunication perhaps? Do they mean "nuisance" dust masks perhaps? http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2003/e03003.htm
IMHO I think they have read a recent research report on beards and face seals as the nuisance mask one seems to be dated 2003 http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrhtm/rr1052.htm
Ron Hunter  
#13 Posted : 12 October 2015 17:01:09(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Colossians 1:14 wrote:
Ron Hunter wrote:
Could this be a simple miscommunication perhaps? Do they mean "nuisance" dust masks perhaps? http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2003/e03003.htm
IMHO I think they have read a recent research report on beards and face seals as the nuisance mask one seems to be dated 2003 http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrhtm/rr1052.htm
That recent RR you mention also reported that half mask type RPE efficiency was affected by stubble - thus my suggestion that they may be thinking of nuisance masks. And the whole issue was about stubble, not the masks themselves. No filtering face pieces, no half masks - not much left in the way of cost effective or practical RPE options!!! Surely you must seek clarification from your client.
Colossians 1:14  
#14 Posted : 13 October 2015 09:32:13(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

Ron Hunter wrote:
Colossians 1:14 wrote:
Ron Hunter wrote:
Could this be a simple miscommunication perhaps? Do they mean "nuisance" dust masks perhaps? http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2003/e03003.htm
IMHO I think they have read a recent research report on beards and face seals as the nuisance mask one seems to be dated 2003 http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrhtm/rr1052.htm
That recent RR you mention also reported that half mask type RPE efficiency was affected by stubble - thus my suggestion that they may be thinking of nuisance masks. And the whole issue was about stubble, not the masks themselves. No filtering face pieces, no half masks - not much left in the way of cost effective or practical RPE options!!! Surely you must seek clarification from your client.
I'm not questioning them at all Ron. I will just get the RPE that they want. I've questioned these big construction companies before, I wont again as I've got bills to pay!
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