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simplesafety  
#1 Posted : 19 October 2015 11:00:54(UTC)
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simplesafety

Hi Does anyone have a good level of knowledge on ATEX? We have been quoted ££££££k for a stainless steel drum lifting attachment which slips on the forks and clamps a 205Ltr drum under one of its ridges, it has no moving parts at all. Is stainless steel (or similar) attachments an absolute requirement for handling sealed drums? We would be using it to off load the drums from a lorry and into our stores container.
rsherl01  
#2 Posted : 19 October 2015 12:26:43(UTC)
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rsherl01

I have came across this before. I was looking to get a manual hoist into a paint store to lift cans and was quoted crazy money for one with an antistatic chain etc. Bottom line is if the area is ATEX then you must ensure everything that is used in there complies. It is extortionate money for ATEX rated equipment but if anything were to happen you have no defence. In my honest opinion I did not need the antistatic hoist as there was no more a chance of it causing a fire but I was left with very little option but to comply. Thankfully it was not my money is all I can say.
Alfasev  
#3 Posted : 19 October 2015 12:54:43(UTC)
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Alfasev

Sorry this does not sound right. Is the fork lift truck and lorry Atex? I am no expert but have had similar issues. I would look in detail at your zoning. What I had is a Client zoning areas just in case not realising the consequences. I deemed myself not competent to classify the zones so we used a consultant from the petro-chem industry.
Ian Bell2  
#4 Posted : 19 October 2015 14:55:56(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I'm pretty experienced with ATEX. Struggling to see the strong ATEX implications, without a more detailed explanation of the overall process. I assume the drum contains a flammable product/liquid. For an essentially static piece of equipment, if there is no potential for it to be a self generating source of ignition - then simple mechanical items are exempt from ATEX requirements. If you dig out the UK Government guidance on ATEX, derived from the original EU Directive there is a section about such items of mechanical equipment. file:///C:/Users/k.egerton/Downloads/atex-guidelines_en.pdf See section 3.73, last paragraph about 'own sources' of ignition and simple mechanical equipment - no requirement for ATEX rating. You should confirm to yourself that there are no sources of ignition from this item of equipment. By the sound of it, the only source would be by dropping the equipment and the impact with the ground causing a spark, if onto concrete etc. BSEN1127 Pt 1 covers recognised ignition sources.
Ian Bell2  
#5 Posted : 19 October 2015 15:06:30(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

http://ec.europa.eu/grow...anical-engineering/atex/ The information is in this document link Guidelines on the application of Directive 94/9/EC.pdf
simplesafety  
#6 Posted : 19 October 2015 16:23:46(UTC)
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simplesafety

Thanks everyone so far, Ian especially- Thanks for the link. It just seems daft that we would need an ATEX rated stainless steel clamp which is clamping to a steel drum? I dont expect the drum is ATEX rates and made from stainless steel. Ian, your comment and link has given me some ammo to go away and think / read about this. FYI - we use an ATEX truck to move drums of acetone from containers to a zoned area within the factory, but we are looking into changing current methods and this S Steel clamp was suggested. Sparks were the only though I had regarding a source of ignition - But does stainless steel have less potential to spark?
Alfasev  
#7 Posted : 19 October 2015 16:59:59(UTC)
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Alfasev

I would also question stainless steel. I have a recollection of a soft metal alloy spanner for use in a zone 1 confined space. They are probably plastic now but because one metal was much softer than the other they would not spark. It was not stainless steel but a non-ferrous alloy, but I would have thought static electricity would also be spark hazard.
Ian Bell2  
#8 Posted : 19 October 2015 17:33:59(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

If you are moving a drum with a tight fitting lid, it won't be a ZOne 1 atmosphere, outside the drum. It will be Zone 2. If the contents of the drum aren't flammable, then the area will be whatever the area classification for the area is-still probably ZOne 2. If the general area is Zone 2 then the FLT will need to be rated for Zone 2 use - which is a bigger fish to worry about than a drum lifting attachment.
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