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andyg  
#1 Posted : 14 October 2015 20:17:09(UTC)
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andyg

Having been a member of the APS for many years, I gradually became more & more disillusioned with them, the last straw was when I received one of their email shots informing me that if I wished to keep my RMaPS status I would have to sit thier free exam within a certain timescale, otherwise my membership grade would be reduced to an Associate! Inferring that ovenight I now know nothing. Red rag to a bull!! I immediately told them to cancel my membership & I have no wish to reinstate it, due to the CDMC role having been removed from the 2015 regulations & as far as i'm concerned sitting an "Open Book" online examination has no merit. Now i'm sure that there will be those of you out there that will disagree with me, that's fine it's your opinion, but I would like some feedback from others who feel as I do as to what is the point of this exam. Pulling on Kevlar jacket as we speak Andy
SP900308  
#2 Posted : 15 October 2015 08:22:47(UTC)
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SP900308

I too have been a member of APS for many years. I did take the exam and was successful (not difficult as it's open book and remote). My renewal is due end Oct 15 at an increased cost of £154.00. To your question..... Taking a two hour limited exam to demonstrate competence and understanding of a legislation and guidance (including a couple of other aspects of construction strategy etc.) is a curious approach. If IOSH adopted a similar process, we health and safety professionals would be taking exams multiple times a year! The weakness the APS has is its CPD process. Basically, have you done the required CPD this year yes or no? This is poor and, if was more robust, maybe there would be no need to demonstrate maintenance of skills and new professional skill via an examination process. There are a couple of reasons why I may renew my membership this year, however, I too am disillusioned with the APS. Simon
andyg  
#3 Posted : 15 October 2015 08:41:38(UTC)
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andyg

Hi Simon To me its not about the exam, its about the way the APS have gone about it, had they accurately monitored the CPD of the membership, the exam would not have been necessary for a certain percentage, therefore, is the exam a "money generator" for the association? Meaning that they'll give you a fresh set of post noms for an increased fee. As the late great Groucho Marks once said "I Don’t Want to Belong to Any Club That Will Accept Me as a Member" (IOSH excluded!!) Regards Andy
SHV  
#4 Posted : 15 October 2015 09:25:38(UTC)
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SHV

Andy If you became a member of organization that give you some things other than post nominal and magazine full of articles that you already knew, it worth's , otherwise just stick to your main membership club which is necessary as market required Regarding money generation, ever club should found a way to do that.. SHV
SP900308  
#5 Posted : 20 October 2015 15:32:06(UTC)
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SP900308

The APS have just informed me that I am now an 'Incorporated' Member (IMaPS)? What are your thoughts on the new APS Membership structure / hurdles? Simon
andyg  
#6 Posted : 20 October 2015 15:45:39(UTC)
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andyg

My opinoin is, it's just money making
Stedman  
#7 Posted : 20 October 2015 23:33:18(UTC)
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Stedman

Even though I was a member for eight years, I have never been happy about being a member and only a Registered Member as this was a prerequisite to acquiring CDMC work and projects. I have since dropped my membership of APS since the introduction of CDM 2015 and my workload has now quadrupled.
Marshall16325  
#8 Posted : 21 October 2015 09:27:46(UTC)
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Marshall16325

Andy, I also jumped ship after being a member for the last 7 or 8 years. Other than the designatory letters (at the time), I never felt they provided me with much anyway!
Ian Bell2  
#9 Posted : 21 October 2015 09:51:57(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I did the same thing with another certain institution a few years ago - apart from letters after my name, it didn't provide value for money......... No loss of work/jobs.
Rus1969  
#10 Posted : 21 October 2015 10:36:33(UTC)
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Rus1969

The APS has positioned themselves as the "must have" accreditation to have following the CDM changes (rightly or wrongly), I too got the email stating my RMAPS had changed to IMAPS (I have sat the open book online exam), I'm lucky as I have a Design qualification and could possibly do the PD role, but decided to move away from the whole CDM 2015 as I believe it was rushed through, poorly written and full of holes, never been a lover of the APS. The APS didn't campaign hard enough to the HSE about the changes. I've never had my CPD checked by the APS. We are now in CDM 2015 land-and I am sure everyone is fully compliant (tongue firmly in cheek)
SP900308  
#11 Posted : 21 October 2015 11:19:03(UTC)
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SP900308

I became a Member of APS in 2008 and agree with all previous comments. I may renew my membership one last time for certain reasons but may let it go next renewal (if they still exist then?). The £154 fee is also too steep IMO! Those of you who abandoned APS (or vice-versa - which may be the general consensus), have you sough other membership(s) to replace the APS on your CV/for info sources/CPD etc. or do you feel, back at CDM1994/2007 it was simply something created to satisfy a demand that didn't exist in the first place where you could demonstrate relative competence through other means / memberships (design quals, engineering quals, safety and health quals + experience + CPD? Simon
Stedman  
#12 Posted : 22 October 2015 10:23:29(UTC)
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Stedman

SP900308 wrote:
I became a Member of APS in 2008 and agree with all previous comments. I may renew my membership one last time for certain reasons but may let it go next renewal (if they still exist then?). The £154 fee is also too steep IMO! Those of you who abandoned APS (or vice-versa - which may be the general consensus), have you sough other membership(s) to replace the APS on your CV/for info sources/CPD etc. or do you feel, back at CDM1994/2007 it was simply something created to satisfy a demand that didn't exist in the first place where you could demonstrate relative competence through other means / memberships (design quals, engineering quals, safety and health quals + experience + CPD? Simon
Simon, I did just that four years ago where I did a career review and planning exercise and I identified a gap in my competence portfolio for the technical aspect of construction, so I went down the Chartered MCIOB route. If this had happened earlier in my career, I would have probably gone down the RICS route. I was never comfortable with the conflicting aims of the APS and IOSH on construction (especially on the Chartered Membership issue) and now that my role has become more strategic and technical within my organisation the aims and the where the APS seem to be going appeared to be more remote.
PH2  
#13 Posted : 22 October 2015 17:14:22(UTC)
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PH2

I too only joined APS, because almost all of our clients expected those postnomials, simply because they were "signposted" to them CDM ACoP, for CDMC's. Now that the CDMC role has gone, and the ACoP has been ditched,not a single Client (or potential Client) of ours has mentioned them. They do however require their PD to have appropriate "design" qualifications and also to have (or to employ) CMIOSH qualified staff. There is a preference for "Chartered" Engineers on all but the smallest of projects. We have also noticed that a number of "Designers" are looking to expand their practices into the PD role and are similarly looking for construction based CMIOSH advisers. Like some others here, I will not be renewing my APS membership when it becomes due: what's the point any longer? PH2
Rus1969  
#14 Posted : 28 October 2015 09:32:56(UTC)
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Rus1969

On a broader issue on the CDM Regulations 2015, cost savings were meant to be made, I can't see how, every CDM company that didn't panic and fire all their CDM-Cs seem to be sitting pretty,a company I deal with have tripled their fees and doubled their workforce, and are still seeking to employ more ex CDM-Cs. They are undertaking the PD duty and Client Advisor side, I walked away namely because I could see the Regulations were a mess, but I am being offered obscene amounts of money to become a PD. What's going on?
Stedman  
#15 Posted : 28 October 2015 11:14:26(UTC)
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Stedman

This nonsense continues! Having just been instructed as a D&B contractor to undertake the PD role and having then issued a revised F10, I then received an e-mail from the previous CDM-C to inform me that they had been instructed to act as the Client Regulation 4 Advisor on this project. Basically they told us that they would be auditing, reviewing and supervising the CDM aspect of our work as Principal Contractor and Principal Designer. The outcome of this is that we have now submitted a request for a third CDM fee (and instructions from the Client) in order to service the additional requests from the Client Regulation 4 Advisor!
Stedman  
#16 Posted : 29 October 2015 10:53:14(UTC)
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Stedman

SP900308 wrote:
The APS have just informed me that I am now an 'Incorporated' Member (IMaPS)? What are your thoughts on the new APS Membership structure / hurdles? Simon
Simon, I am also not happy about the new CMaPS designatory letters for Certified Members, as the C on designatory letters (in my mind) indicates a Chartered level of membership.
SP900308  
#17 Posted : 29 October 2015 11:25:18(UTC)
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SP900308

Agreed! IMO this approach has diluted the value of the previous RMaPS (now IMaPS). The APS has created another 'tier' of competence. From memory, Appendix 5 of CDM2007 provided guidance on competence of CDM-Cs for larger more complex projects (high, unusual risks), maybe the APS is trying to replace this 'guidance' but targeting Designers with the additional hurdles to achieve the level of CMaPS? I have now decided not to renew my Membership and focus solely on Chartered Membership of IOSH (hopefully within the next Quarter). Simon
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