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I am looking at the issue of vehicle movements on our sites (not construction), prompted by the thread on shunting vehicles on private land. I have not had any formal Banksman training and wondered if those on this site would be willing to comment on the content of external training if they have actually had or delivered it. Lots of these courses seem to include lifting / lowering ( ie signalers), but I'm not really interested in that , just vehicle movements. ROSPA do a 1 day course (2 times half day) but I can't for the life of me understand why it would take that long, other than padding to justify the cost.
We are currently considering external training, but are wondering what you get. We have provided in-house information on hand signals and obviously standing in safe places , not in the vehicle path, always in a position where the driver can see you (either direct or in mirrors etc), common blind spots.
What I was wondering and would want to use to help justify the spend is what other information ( topic headings) external training covers.
As always any help is appreciated.
Chris
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We give an in-house session - lasting 20 minutes (max) including slides that reflect HSE guidance on clear signals + practical session (as driver / banksman) + quick test.
Seems to work & is cost-effective
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Hi Chris What you need are reversing assistants, not banksmen. The HSE and the waste industry (WISH) collaborated a number of years ago following a spate of reversing bin truck fatalities. Take a look at this: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/waste04.pdfYou should be able to knock up a 1-hour session, including practical. Just needs adapting to your circumstances. Or you can use it to evaluate outside providers. Ian
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Thanks both Ian yes that document seems to cover more or less the same as we current advise, thank you. As the company I work for have previously not recorded the training, I will take the opportunity to update the information and record who has had what. External training is looking less likely based on that guidance. Evans38004 Interesting idea about testing - is that a practical test or written ? So based on what you both do the formal external training is likely to be quite padded -but I suspect time is taken up as they do actual reversing maneuvers. FYI Quite a nice little video on the signals at http://www.hse.gov.uk/wo...ns/banksman/banksman.htm
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Just noticed L64 uses the same picture for "Horizontal Distance" as they do for "end operation" ( end operation being correct). Page 43
ooops
Shame you can't copy that little video.
Chris
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The reference given by Ian for Reversing Assistants (RA) is the best - keeps it simple unless you ARE needing a proper banksman (woman) for more complex ops.
Biggest thing to watch out for is walking backwards (blind) whilst signalling. A commonly accepted modification is one-handed beckoning (OK to reverse) whilst walking and looking in walking direction.
The key point is the RA should be looking (and signalling to the driver) ONLY that the zone behind the vehicle is, and remains, safe. They only need to check occasionally to see that the driver can still see them in mirrors. The driver remains responsible for maneuvering and deciding generally. The driver MUST STOP if the RA cannot be seen, or signals to stop.
Common errors: they forget to keep a wide view of the whole area behind, which is the bit the driver cannot see. And they walk backwards into crush zone, or trip & fall.
These points are easy to get across in a short supervisor-led briefing.
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