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Lawlee45239  
#1 Posted : 29 October 2015 14:18:44(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Afternoon all, Rigger boots have been pretty much banned with the main construction groups, and with winter closing in my normal boots just dont cut it. Can anyone advise me of a suitable boot? That is high enough to not have water/muck coming in over the top and also water proof and not wellies! I have been on Mr. Google for the last hour looking through supplier after supplier to no avail. Cheers in advance
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 29 October 2015 14:33:44(UTC)
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RayRapp

Where operatives are working in wet/muddy conditions e.g. excavation, rigger boots or wellingtons (steel capped) are probably the most suitable PPE. Therefore there should be a caveat within your procedure, site rules and RA to permit the wearing of such footwear. This is the problem with blanket rules, they often don't cater for all environments and tasks.
Moss18458  
#3 Posted : 29 October 2015 14:37:47(UTC)
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Moss18458

Dear Lawlee45239, you state "pretty much banned" by major contractors, not by legislation its not.. Ive heard this many times over recent years ,particulary at my previous employment where i was also responsible for issue and record of staff ppe. The primary reason behind restricted use of riggers is that they provide little ankle restraint and thus to drive accident stats down (thinking cynically, like gloves/glasses requirements) the major contractors are trying to enforce alternate suitable footwear. Strictly speaking they should demonstrate by way of risk assessment why you cant wear riggers, and if so provide you with the appropirate equipment.. sorry no answer for you here.. by the way ive got both ankle laceups and riggers in my boot!!
Lawlee45239  
#4 Posted : 29 October 2015 14:43:24(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Moss18458 wrote:
Dear Lawlee45239, you state "pretty much banned" by major contractors, not by legislation its not.. Ive heard this many times over recent years ,particulary at my previous employment where i was also responsible for issue and record of staff ppe. The primary reason behind restricted use of riggers is that they provide little ankle restraint and thus to drive accident stats down (thinking cynically, like gloves/glasses requirements) the major contractors are trying to enforce alternate suitable footwear. Strictly speaking they should demonstrate by way of risk assessment why you cant wear riggers, and if so provide you with the appropirate equipment.. sorry no answer for you here.. by the way ive got both ankle laceups and riggers in my boot!!
I know, but they will not listen to my requests for riggers... regardless of RAs in place. Blanket ban end of. Which is rather annoying. And I totally understand the lack of ankle support, mind you wellie boots provide nothing but sweaty feet!! We are groundworkers, and already let alone in the height of winter we are having issues with water/muck. I am trying to find a wellie boot / boot type of hybrid, I'm sure there are some out there.
Animax01  
#5 Posted : 29 October 2015 16:36:25(UTC)
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Animax01

Have a look here, they have a specific site dedicated to waterproof safety boots.
kenty  
#6 Posted : 29 October 2015 17:06:35(UTC)
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kenty

Found these following a quick google search, they may work for you. http://www.engelbert-str...mension:Special_features
sidestep45  
#7 Posted : 30 October 2015 07:51:07(UTC)
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sidestep45

I'm a safety advisor for a major contractor and I'm happy to say that we have not banned them, I've got a a pair myself as well as lace ups. As for ankle support I can't recall ever seeing that in the EN spec for boots, soles, pentration protection, chemical resistance etc are covered but not ankle support, so how can anyone show that a boot provides "adequate" support if no one knows what the optimum level is and what a particular boot provides? Or is it just a case of someone set this particular rabbit running and eveyone is following it without showing any evidence?
chris42  
#8 Posted : 30 October 2015 09:22:59(UTC)
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chris42

I remember the rail industry coming out with this, before main contractors seemed to. So it my have been their rabbit. It was due to the number of track side ankle injuries they were getting. They were sort of willing to listen to reasoned arguments. Most people prefer Riggers as when they are caked in mud they can easily be removed when getting into vehicles etc. I thought a version had been brought out with ankle support though. Welders liked riggers, as again they could be quickly removed if something hot got inside and often they needed to crouch so didn't want ankle support. Chris
jab7107  
#9 Posted : 30 October 2015 09:43:46(UTC)
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jab7107

My company followed the rest and banned Rigger boots. I was tasked with finding a replacement, as most of the guys liked the Rigger for its ease of getting on and off; I looked for a lace up boot that could fit the bill. I found a boot that was, I was told, was the offshore replacement. I got this boot from Cromwell PPE supplier. They are a high lace up, waterproof boot with a side zip enabling quick on and off when needed.
Colossians 1:14  
#10 Posted : 30 October 2015 10:08:41(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

jab7107 wrote:
My company followed the rest and banned Rigger boots. I was tasked with finding a replacement, as most of the guys liked the Rigger for its ease of getting on and off; I looked for a lace up boot that could fit the bill. I found a boot that was, I was told, was the offshore replacement. I got this boot from Cromwell PPE supplier. They are a high lace up, waterproof boot with a side zip enabling quick on and off when needed.
Thanks for posting the information, ill have a look at Cromwell for myself. Getting our clients to OK the boots if suitable will be another issue!
John Cliff  
#11 Posted : 30 October 2015 10:25:10(UTC)
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John Cliff

Follow the link to clad safety. They have a good range of waterproof work boots with good ankle protection such as the 'Exploration high boot' http://cladsafety.co.uk/assets/2015-Catalogue.pdf Hope this helps
Lawlee45239  
#12 Posted : 04 November 2015 09:57:01(UTC)
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Lawlee45239

Thanks all
walker  
#13 Posted : 04 November 2015 10:03:12(UTC)
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walker

Chris42 wrote:
Welders liked riggers, as again they could be quickly removed if something hot got inside Chris
Chris, I wonder if you can see what I see in this statement?
Invictus  
#14 Posted : 04 November 2015 10:29:49(UTC)
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Invictus

walker wrote:
Chris42 wrote:
Welders liked riggers, as again they could be quickly removed if something hot got inside Chris
Chris, I wonder if you can see what I see in this statement?
Stands out like a welder hopping around trying to hget his boot off.
bob youel  
#15 Posted : 04 November 2015 10:36:58(UTC)
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bob youel

This an old chestnut & has been discussed many times with the usual end result e.g. there is no independent scientific evidence to show that ankle support* is really needed and the ban is because of some mysterious hidden cause thereafter everybody now follows the band wagon [* 99.999 and more % of the worlds population today still get about without ankle support [look at fashionable high-heals!!!] with no harm what so ever even in the worst conditions e.g. war [note Afghanistan & similar where the locals wear sandal's whilst fighting in very hazardous conditions] so there must be another agenda somewhere my advice is to do your best to educate and go from there: And the welder issue is very true - but those who ban things do not get hot metal down their shoe!
jwk  
#16 Posted : 04 November 2015 10:58:10(UTC)
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jwk

I'd agree with Bob about the ankle support. Fell runners don't wear boots... (except Joss Naylor and since he's a legend he's allowed, and in any event they were wellies!) John
chris42  
#17 Posted : 04 November 2015 11:32:24(UTC)
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chris42

quote=Invictus]
walker wrote:
Chris42 wrote:
Welders liked riggers, as again they could be quickly removed if something hot got inside Chris
Chris, I wonder if you can see what I see in this statement?
Stands out like a welder hopping around trying to hget his boot off.
Yes, but the second part was that they needed to be able to bend at the ankle, and lace ups would not necessarily stop the hot spatter or allow this action. Yes you can get spats to go over the lace parts, but again still need to bend ankle. They were not welders standing at a nice bench in a cosy factory. Network Rail accepted the need for a relaxation of their requirement ! Its a wonderful feeling having hot spatter go into your sock / shoe / boot The more you jump about the more it burns. Chris
johnmurray  
#18 Posted : 04 November 2015 11:42:26(UTC)
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johnmurray

Chris42 wrote:
Welders liked riggers, as again they could be quickly removed if something hot got inside Chris
More to it than that. Less stitching to burn away, and no laces to burn away. Don't bother going the "leather laces" route, after a few hours with streams of molten slag pouring over them, they go hard and break. The "fur" lining is good too, people seem to think welders get too hot.....no, if you're welding during winter your stomach area gets hot...your feet are frozen.
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