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Hi All
We use a electric powered pallet truck, it has powered drive and can lift to around 100mm (just like pump truck but powered).
Does anyone know what level of training/competence is required to be able to deliver training on this type of equipment?
I.e could a regular FLT driver deliver training on it? or would it need to be a specific FLT trainer/examiner?
What would be considered a competent person?
Thanks in advance for any comments
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Hi,
You need a competent and qualified FLT instructor to deliver the training. I have an ITSSAR qualified bloke as one of my supervisors, thus saving on training costs.
Regards,
Thom
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A little bit off topic but thought I'd post it up anyway as I read this in a magazine yesterday and thought it might be worthy of a look: http://archives.westernb...ct15supp/index.html#/24/
Basically a hand pallet truck survey (on pulling forces) showed that most fail to meet UK Regs on lighter loads and NONE meet UK Regs for pulling heavier loads (based on the 17 most popular pallet truck models).
I found this staggering, so sounds like you are right to go down the electrical powered truck route SimpleSafety. In terms of training, take a look at this notification from the FLTA which might help clarify: https://fork-truck.org.u...ds/fact_sheets/FS_09.pdf
I've also sent you a DM with details on our preventative maintenance inspections that you might find useful.
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Thomas. Can you clarify on what basis you make your recommendation? I am involved in powered pallet trucks as well and am following this thread with interest. If I am to make any recommendations on changes to my management team I could use some guidance sources to back up anything I say. Many Thanks.
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Worth mentioning, I think, that, when the LOLER ACoP was revised in 2014, it now specifically includes:
'hand pallet trucks, specifically those that have the ability to raise the forks'
and that will include the powered type, the subject of this thread.
(The previous edition did not mention hand pallet trucks - I think)
Anyway, regarding training LOLER Regulation 8(1) clarifies 'that each lifting operation needs to be planned, supervised and carried out safely' and the ACoP then says:
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227 The HSW Act (section 2(2)(c)) places a duty on employers to their employees for ‘... the provision of such, information, instruction, training and supervision as is necessary to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the health and safety at work of his employees’. These Regulations extend the duties on employers to other dutyholders listed in regulation 3(3)
meaning regulation 3(3) (of LOLER)
The ACoP bit that mentions hand pallet trucks:
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28 The following examples illustrate the type of equipment which can raise or lower loads and the broad range of lifting operations, which should be assessed for the application of LOLER. These are examples and the Regulations may be relevant to other equipment used for similar activities or where the equipment listed is used
for different lifting operations:
(a) cranes;
(b) lift trucks and telescopic handlers;
(c) hand pallet trucks, specifically those that have the ability to raise the forks;
(d) goods lifts or passenger lifts, for example in an office block, hospital etc which are provided for those at work;
(e) simple systems such as a rope and pulley used to raise a bucket of cement on a building site, a construction site hoist, a gin wheel, or a dumb waiter in a restaurant or hotel;
(f) pull-lifts;
(g) vacuum lifting equipment;
(h) a vehicle inspection hoist;
(i) a scissor lift or a mobile elevating work platform (MEWP);
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Thomas
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You need a competent and qualified FLT instructor to deliver the training. I have an ITSSAR qualified bloke as one of my supervisors, thus saving on training costs.
Are you referring to rider-operated pallet trucks? If so, I agree. But the subject of the thread is the pull-push electrical pallet truck
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Just to confirm the equipment is not a ride on type, the forks do not lift high - just approx 100/200mm (to get the pallet off the floor), The assisted powered drive does have the potential to push you over or crush if not competent.
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OK SS, just wanted to clarify for the thread posters.
Although I've indicated this equipment should be examined re LOLER, to provide 'training and supervision as is necessary to ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, the health and safety at work of his employees’ - in my opinion this can be done in-house with reference to manufacturer's instructions, and doesn't need an FLT trainer.
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Hi all,
This sounds like it falls in to the A1 category.
My reasoning is that if something were to go wrong can you demonstrate the competency and knowledge of the person who delivered the training? When did that person last complete refresher training and who signed off on it etc. Thinking like a lawyer can help sometimes. This is exactly what my company is experiencing at the moment due to an incident some four years ago.
Regards,
Thom
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This equipment has nothing like the same risks as a traditional forklift so there is no way that you need exactly the same competence in the trainer.
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Ref John W's referral to the LOLER ACoP. Check the LOLER guidance page here:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/wo...inery/lift-equipment.htm
At the bottom of the page under equipment NOT covered by LOLER: "pallet trucks, where the consequence of the load falling off is very low".
A tad confusing! Seems to be a risk based approach as to whether or not to test as LOLER equipment.
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Jimothy999 wrote:Ref John W's referral to the LOLER ACoP. Check the LOLER guidance page here:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/wo...inery/lift-equipment.htm
At the bottom of the page under equipment NOT covered by LOLER: "pallet trucks, where the consequence of the load falling off is very low".
A tad confusing! Seems to be a risk based approach as to whether or not to test as LOLER equipment.
Well-spotted Jimothy. I suspect that the HSE revisions to the LOLER ACoP were made to avoid 'a risk based approach' with regard to pallet trucks, and they haven't updated the /lift-equipment.htm webpage?
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Hi
These would be covered by PUWER and HASWA if not by LOLER and the training requirements are the same. Also, L117 states
"5 Even though the ACOP and guidance on training apply to stacking rideroperated
lift trucks and do not explicitly cover all types of lift truck, the general
principles can be used as a guide when training operators of other truck types. "
So, whilst the level of training is not as high due to lower risks, you do still need to make sure it is good enough, and you can prove that. I use an ITSSAR approved trainer.
ian
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