Delivery driver, decides to jump from side door of a van instead of using the step, admits to doing this, maybe after he discovers we have CCTV of the incident. Admits own fault not working as trained and systems we have for entry/exiting vehicles, (yes we have to train grown ups how to get in and out of a van) Driver has injured his wrist , nothing broken but has bruised it. Will be over 7 days absence so, guess it will be a Riddor?

I don’t usually join the RIDDOR debates I don’t have enough, just one in the last 5 years. But this one I think I can safely say is reportable. I would any way, and that’s not just so I can do one . Training people to get in and out of a van – OMG, and I guess you’re probably right to do this, and I’m sure you’d get someone on your back if you didn’t. This comment is meant as a comment though not a criticism of your practices, but could you not argue that getting in and out of a van is ‘part of normal day to day activity’? If we have to train for this, what about boiling water for making tea – I feel a two day course coming along. Then there’s tying shoe laces – I know at least one colleague who seems totally unable to do this. Then there’s walking, which is actually a controlled fall, and also crossing a road requires staff to pass the Green Cross Code. I won’t train anyone in these activities, nor will I risk assess them if you can’t do these simple things safely all the training in the world won’t help. This is a business risk that comes with employing people. People who I would like to add do these things every day and don’t seem to hurt themselves. The question I’d ask is what are they doing right most of the time, rather than what did they do wrong this one time. In your case what the driver does right most of the time is climb out as he always has done safely in the past. I don’t see that you can be held responsible for his frolic, but you do need to report it. Reporting does not I’d suggest make you responsible for this foolish act.

I know you don't want the suggestion, but actually shoelaces is something that many people get wrong. If you pull on the loops to pull the free end through the knot, you'll find you've actually tied either a granny knot or a reef knot. Those people that tie a granny-knot-type bow will find their shoelaces slip more and come undone more than those that tie a reef-knot-type bow. So actually, tying shoelaces is a case of something that everyone thinks they know how to do, but there is a good way and a bad way to do it, so you could possibly improve people's performance by training them in the right way. Having said which, I personally wouldn't attempt to run a tying shoelaces training day, but I think I regret the fact that if I can't, knowing that it would improve people's performance. After the shoelaces training, you could do the proper way to get the skin off a banana. Most people do that wrong too, though it has less safety consequence.

Tripping over shoe laces is not reportable, skinny jeans are ok, I never liked birmingham bags or platform shoes. But whatever happened to going the pub in lunch hour to discuss safety concerns over a few pints before returning to work? It wasn't unsafe or at least I didbn't remeber the afternoon shift, Zzzzzzz

Surely you have a notice warning them! I was once asked by a solcitor for training records to show that we had trained people to walk up and down stairs, I sent a letter referring him to the persons parents who should of completed this. I also stated that I would of trained them if they had stood and the bottom and explained that they had never walked upstairs before.

I once caught a person putting a knife in a toater while it was sitched on, the response was 'it's ok, i'm the safety rep.

We had somebody fall downstairs and break her ankle while rooting through her hand-bag. We didn't report it. One of my team at the time (a hand-bag devotee herself) suggested that we issue transparent hand-bags as a control measure. I don't think she was being quite serious ;-) John

Anyhoo. Back the OP. I would report it. And make sure that the IP knew that if he did something like this in future he could face disciplinary action...

Wow, that has never occurred to me. Don't know how I got to my 60s without having a serious laces related incident. So I gave it a try just now. My partner was yattering on so I said 'shush, I'm thinking'. 'What, to tie up your laces'? Incidentally I've always tended towards flat laces, which do not seem to come undone so easily, but I'm too tight to replace round ones until they wear out. You safety people are the cat's bits.

You might just have come up for the first time ever with a completely non-controversial RIDDOR where no one will say don't report it. And jumping off vehicles is a well-known cause of injury and something the HSE have guidance against doing, so 'training' people not to is the right thing to do.

Hi Of course it is a RIDDOR, it is caused by the work being done. RIDDOR is not dependent on whose fault it is. On another note, I have worked in distribution for a long time, over a decade as a Safety Manager, and jumping out of the van/cab is a major cause of injuries. At one retailer the delivery drivers were less that 10% of the workforce and accounted for 35% of the injuries. Loads of these from how they got into and out of the van. Recently, a HGV driver climbed into his cab and decided to put his keys into the ignition before sitting down, lost his grip and fell hitting his head. These types of accidents are a major concern to the HSE. Ian Ian

There are several day to day routine hazards that could be prevented from escalating to injuries by application of what we term as "Take Two"--other refer to it as LMRA (Last Minute Risk Assessment)--but in essence is a quick situational awareness check --some refer to it as common sense--which apparently is not so common. This need not be formal or require recording. Keep it simple, but if required, raise awareness using case real-life examples