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ezzeldin  
#1 Posted : 16 November 2015 15:39:25(UTC)
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ezzeldin

Dears Fellows,

Is it safe to use the handrail (steel structure) as anchor point for tying the safety harness?

Regards.

Mohamed
Colossians 1:14  
#2 Posted : 16 November 2015 16:06:04(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

ezzeldin wrote:
Dears Fellows,

Is it safe to use the handrail (steel structure) as anchor point for tying the safety harness?

Regards.

Mohamed


Not unless it is a designated, examined and tested anchor point. Which I doubt it will be!
SP900308  
#3 Posted : 16 November 2015 16:08:28(UTC)
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SP900308

Is its intended use 'work positioning' or 'fall arrest?'
Simon
ezzeldin  
#4 Posted : 16 November 2015 16:25:32(UTC)
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ezzeldin

fall arresst
frankc  
#5 Posted : 16 November 2015 22:26:27(UTC)
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frankc

ezzeldin wrote:
fall arresst


Definitely not.
SHV  
#6 Posted : 17 November 2015 07:17:29(UTC)
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SHV

It is all depends to the user justification, is it strong enough to sustain 5000 Pounds load or 2times as safety factor 2000 Pounds? i do not say that your structural engineer check every hand rail one by one to estimate the stability of anchorage point.. mostly common sense by user

SHV
Xavier123  
#7 Posted : 18 November 2015 10:28:35(UTC)
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Xavier123

As a default, no. And then certainly not without justifying it with evidence.

It may well be a steel structure but I'd be just as interested in its fixings to the substrate it is placed in/on.

The selection of anchor points is often done by 'common sense' and whilst there are some situations where you can be satisfied e.g. massive RSJ's that are structural elements of a building, there are equally some e.g. cradle track RSJ's installed as guiderails and not for uplift etc. which may shift under dynamic lateral load. Hands up who has seen abseilers foolishly using these for anchorage?

Fall arrest training or even IRATA Level 3 does not make you a structural engineer.

Also bear in mind that, with fall arrest, you need a rescue plan and someone else may have to use that exact same anchor point to both secure themselves and effect a means of rescue....AFTER it has been subjected to a shock loading.


Could I respectfully suggest that a handrail COULD be used as an anchor point for fall restraint because it shouldn't be loaded in the same way. Its also inherently safer.
bigpub  
#8 Posted : 18 November 2015 13:04:02(UTC)
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bigpub

No.
McDowell16989  
#9 Posted : 18 November 2015 14:03:52(UTC)
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McDowell16989

I would go with a dedicated anchor point that has been inspected & certified - I have copied and pasted the following which I found a useful reference;

http://www.totalaccess.c...Protection-Anchor-Points

It is a legislative requirement that eyebolts and single point anchors for the purpose of fall protection are inspected and certified a minimum of once every twelve months; abseil anchors must also undergo a six monthly visual inspection under LOLER, all must be performed by a suitably qualified person.
Route66  
#10 Posted : 19 November 2015 12:59:25(UTC)
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Route66

As asked, the answer to the question has to be 'Perhaps' or 'Maybe'.

It depends on the strength and condition of the 'handrail' and the OP definition of 'Fall Arrest'.


Unless going OTT and always insisting on dedicated anchor points, it comes down to your Risk Assessment.

Imagine if you are doing arboreal work cutting back trees. Some branches are suitable to harness from, others are not. It's down to the operative to decide.

They might feel it's not safe and do the entire job from a MEWP instead.
Colossians 1:14  
#11 Posted : 19 November 2015 13:43:02(UTC)
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Colossians 1:14

frankc  
#12 Posted : 19 November 2015 16:47:47(UTC)
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frankc

Route66 wrote:
It's down to the operative to decide.



The OP asked is it ok to attach 'to a handrail' and then added 'For Fall Arrest purposes'.
I don't know anyone who is responsible for those working at height who would find that acceptable.
Some good advice on here about anchor points/restraint but F/Arrest? No way.
HeO2  
#13 Posted : 19 November 2015 17:41:06(UTC)
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HeO2

Anchor points for fall arrest must be "unquestionably sound" this can only be decided by a competent experienced operator.
Fall factor 2 in fall arrest can generate forces into 1000's of Kilos.

If in doubt have some anchor points to the relevant EN installed. And always have a rescue plan. ( not dial 999 / 112 )

Phil
HeO2  
#14 Posted : 19 November 2015 17:46:48(UTC)
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HeO2

EN 795:2012
1. Deals specifically with single-user anchor devices.
2. BS EN 795: 2012 states, ‘Requirements and test methods for multi-user anchor devices, i.e. anchor devices that allow more than one user to be attached at any one time, are provided
in a separate CEN Technical Specification.’ This Technical Specification is CEN/TS 16415: 2012 (see right).
3. States that in recognition of foreseeable misuse, anchor devices intended for fall restraint must be tested for fall arrest.
4. States that U-Bolt clamps shall not be used to form cable terminations.
5. States that static strength requirements have increased:
• Metallic anchor devices now 12 kN (previously 10 kN)
• Non-metallic anchor devices now 18 kN* (previously 10 kN). *unless evidence of durability is provided.
Bigmac1  
#15 Posted : 19 November 2015 20:08:16(UTC)
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Bigmac1

NO
imponderabilius  
#16 Posted : 20 November 2015 09:22:07(UTC)
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imponderabilius

ezzeldin wrote:
Dears Fellows,

Is it safe to use the handrail (steel structure) as anchor point for tying the safety harness?

Regards.

Mohamed


As someone above wrote, it might be good enough to use it as a work restraint point - if you use a lanyard to prevent a fall, not to arrest it, then no significant load will be put on the handrail.
For example, we've banned lanyards with shock absorbers from our site and only use adjustable length lanyards to PREVENT falls, not to ARREST them.
imponderabilius  
#17 Posted : 20 November 2015 12:25:01(UTC)
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imponderabilius

Sorry for one post after the other but here's a quote from http://webcommunities.hs...ight/view?objectId=12179

The standard points out that anchor points for restraint systems should be strong enough and stable enough to restrain the user at the extremes of their range of movement.

For single person use, it is recommended that the minimum breaking strength of the anchor point should be equivalent to at least three times the user’s body mass in the direction in which the load is to be applied in service.

Where several users are to be connected to the same anchor point, the recommended minimum breaking strength is that equivalent to at least three times the combined body mass of the users, in the direction in which the load is to be applied in service.

NOTE For example, three users, each with a body mass of 100 kg, all connected to the same anchor point for restraint purposes, would require an anchor point with a minimum static breaking strength equivalent to 3 × 100 × 3 = 900 kg, which would be approximately 9 kN.

Where a horizontal anchor line is used, it should be so positioned that any deflection generated by a user pulling on it at the extreme of their range of movement does not allow a free fall to take place.
Bigmac1  
#18 Posted : 20 November 2015 23:08:18(UTC)
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Bigmac1

NO
noorshahzad  
#19 Posted : 23 November 2015 10:09:55(UTC)
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noorshahzad

If your handrails are designed and tested to withstand 5000 LB surely you can use them as anchorage point for safety harness. But most of the handrails are not designed for anchorage point because they only tested for 200 LB outward or downward force
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