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gpevans  
#1 Posted : 25 November 2015 18:56:40(UTC)
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gpevans

First post, so please be gentle! If i am posting in the wrong please, please let me know. without giving away too many details. I have a client I am working with at the moment who currently has half a dozen or so warranty works to be carried out on remote structures. As these are constructing they are now required by their clients to produce a CPP. It's small and in relative to the task that's being carried out, so not the issue Each site is approx 4-6 hours worth of work for 2-3 people. The issue I have is with welfare (toilet facilities) for the workers. For larger jobs, over 1-5 days my client usually will provide a groundhog (welfare unit) or portable toilet to cover it. in this case it is not practicable to do this as they will spend half the day awaiting for a delivery and by the time it arrives, they'll be done. Also for the little amount of work it is, it's not really financially viable for this. Does anyone have any temporary / practical solutions to fix this which will cover the welfare requirements under CDM that they have used? Knowing who my client will be carrying out the work for, it is something they will question. Thanks in advance, i'm racking my brain on this one and coming up short.
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 26 November 2015 08:17:35(UTC)
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RayRapp

Welcome I have experienced a similar scenario and to be perfectly it is not easy coming up with a good solution for short-term transient workers. That said, one option might be to identify the nearest public toilet (e.g. petrol station, supermarket, etc) in the job pack or whatever documentation you use for the task. There are also 'boxes' which can be purchased for an 'emergency'. These are called something like pee boxes and [expletive deleted] boxes - I kid you not. I suggest it's not so much about compliance but pragmatics. I can hear the gasps from the doom and gloom brigade. However that's the reality of the situation and if someone has a better solution I would be very interested to hear about it. Ray
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 26 November 2015 09:15:10(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As the workers will need transport to and from the works anyway what about a welfare van? Hot & cold running water, flushing WC and if lucky a working microwave!
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 26 November 2015 09:15:10(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As the workers will need transport to and from the works anyway what about a welfare van? Hot & cold running water, flushing WC and if lucky a working microwave!
hilary  
#5 Posted : 26 November 2015 09:53:59(UTC)
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hilary

Totally onboard with Roundtuit on this one. If you know there are a lot of these jobs and it's a permanent function then a van with the amenities on board is so sensible - like a mini caravan. Then you don't have to worry about it every time.
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 26 November 2015 10:41:25(UTC)
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RayRapp

The problem with a welfare van is these workers no doubt are already supplied with a company vehicle which is usally a van of some description which is needed to carry tools and materials.
Alfasev  
#7 Posted : 26 November 2015 11:40:14(UTC)
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Alfasev

Having spent many years involve in jobs like this we settled on what RayRapp has set out. Our vans where crew style vans, with welfare/office behind driver separated/divided from the dirty back end but like gpevans it was toilet facilities that we struggled with. We did look into having portable toilets in the vans but the issue was van size, emptying and cleaning, and cost. A separate welfare van was also considered but for a 2-3 crew this is a very expensive option. Those who propose this solution need to look at the cost of buying and running a van along with the issue of driving times. If there were more workers on site a separate welfare van is a workable solution and I believe Network Rail use such vans. I would start by consulting the crews. We found out that they would not want to empty and clean portable toilets, prefer and enjoyed going to local cafes, that it was rare that they were ever court short, that they were regularly running out of consumables and the vans needed a way to be heated without the engine being on. When working away the hotel or client’s facilities were also named as welfare facilities and when travelling the services were named. Our yards and larger sites all had permanent welfare. In our CPP/policies it was made clear that the crews were to be given time to travel to the welfare if required. With regards to compliance the CDM regs state “suitable and sufficient sanitary conveniences must be provided or made available at readily assessable places”. This is purposely open to interpretation and I am satisfied we would have complied.
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