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Wayne Bayman  
#1 Posted : 26 May 2015 07:29:30(UTC)
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Wayne Bayman

Good day folks. I've been asked to conduct a risk assessment on an establishment that runs a kitchen. When I saw the waste bins they currently use in the food preparation area my immediate thought was that; a) the bins need to have lids on them b) the bins themselves need to be of a different material Currently the practice is to use a 40 micron plastic bag inside a bin that are missing lids. The bin itself is made from recycled rubber and is very porous, in my opinion this means that the bin cant be effectively cleaned and decontaminated which makes it unsuitable for the kitchens. Now the chefs are of the opinion that the bins are fine because they use the plastic bags on the inside. Unfortunately they havent seen the waste handling area - if they have they'll know how dirty and contaminated the waste bins get. It is also a question as to how effectively the bins are cleaned. Can anyone here tell me if i'm wrong in this finding and if I am right, recommend what kind of bin should be used in the kitchens. Personally I'm in favour of using 100L wheely bins for two reasons. 1.) the plastic is non - permeable 2.) Currently the bins are carried and the wheely bins will reduce the risk of carrying the bins.
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 26 May 2015 07:54:45(UTC)
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bob youel

need to see the location first to comment properly but first thoughts are that we are talking waste and not food prep etc. so view from that angle and talk to the local enforcers [EHO's] as its they who visit such places and if its OK for them it should be OK for everybody
Wayne Bayman  
#3 Posted : 26 May 2015 08:10:01(UTC)
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Wayne Bayman

bob youel wrote:
need to see the location first to comment properly but first thoughts are that we are talking waste and not food prep etc. so view from that angle and talk to the local enforcers [EHO's] as its they who visit such places and if its OK for them it should be OK for everybody
I did consider that angle but the people preparing the food touch the waste bins when lifting the lids that are in place and when moving the bins out to the waste yard. Then you carry the contaminated bins back into the kitchen.
Xavier123  
#4 Posted : 26 May 2015 14:39:26(UTC)
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Xavier123

Much like h&s, much of food safety is justifiable/damnable by process of risk assessment and hazard analysis. There is more flexibility than once there was...but HACCP rules the roost. That said, one would anticipate all surfaces immediately within a commercial food prep area to be hard wearing and easy to clean. From your description you have some doubts about this which may well be justified. Your other point about lids is less clear though...you raise a worry about missing lids but then equally raise a cross contamination issue about handling lids. HACCP away! If the bins are emptied regularly and easily then I can't personally see a problem with no lids - if anything it makes waste disposal easier in the right circumstances. But its all about the detail of what actually happens on site, what type of food is being disposed of, how often it is disposed of etc. etc. But if you can evidence a problem then you're justified in proposing change. A thought. If there are plastic bags inside the bins, why are they carrying the bins outside to an external waste area at all? Why not just remove the bag and carry that? (That doesn't address the bin cleaning issue I know...but was just a thought about contamination routes)
kinning  
#5 Posted : 26 May 2015 22:11:54(UTC)
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kinning

Bins in our kitchen have lids, plastic sacks and foot pedals. Middle of summer where there are possible flies, lids reduces the flies around the bins especially in a kitchen. I would contact your environmental health officer but I would strongly recommend foot pedal, with lid and use sacks.
Wayne Bayman  
#6 Posted : 27 May 2015 08:06:58(UTC)
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Wayne Bayman

The message I got as to why the whole bin is carried to the waste area was that it was 'unsightly'. I also want foot pedal bins on site. My clear lack of knowledge regarding HACCP rules has prompted me to contact an expert in the field for advice. Thanks for the responses
Mike Moore  
#7 Posted : 27 November 2015 10:45:01(UTC)
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Mike Moore

Hi A waste container is a container for temporarily storing waste, and is usually made out of metal or plastic. Common terms are dustbin, rubbish bin, litter bin, barrel and trash barrel etc. These bins are sometimes separated into different categories which determine what materials can be inserted into the bin. Some public bins, especially in "green" restaurants, accept organic waste to be composted. In summer these bins must be covered with the lids as this will reduce the flies that flies around the bins. There are many skip bin hire companies that provide the services of the skip bin and also take care of the removal of the rubbish. You can hire the skip bin at an affordable price from https://www.northsideskipbins.com.au/
jay  
#8 Posted : 27 November 2015 14:07:46(UTC)
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jay

Food waste guidance from Food Standards Agency:- Rules on food waste, including waste cooking oil:- https://www.food.gov.uk/.../food-hygiene/food-waste
osium  
#9 Posted : 27 May 2016 13:06:44(UTC)
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osium

Generally, if we're talking about food waste, then the bin is required to have a compostable bin liner and not a plastic bag. The same applies for garden waste. What's also worrisome about the restaurant you visited is if they were not separating their compostable waste from regular rubbish! I'd say the UK is suffering from an overwhelming amount of food waste, rather than unsanitary restaurants: http://www.fantasticwast...od-waste-uk-infographic/
jackafarrior  
#10 Posted : 08 June 2016 12:38:59(UTC)
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jackafarrior

Hello everone, I just come across this page today .. This is a great topic .. Well, I can say that rubbish bins come in such a wide variety of styles, designs, sizes and shapes, they can become a part of your overall interior scheme, and even make attractive features themselves. The most important bin to get right is in the kitchen. Kitchen bins need to be able to cope with a large variety of waste, from food scraps to empty cartons, whilst preventing smells and being large enough to cope with the household demands. Kitchen bins have to cope with all sorts of waste including smelly food scraps so kitchen bins need a good lid. They also need a simple means of throwing things away without having to handle the bin, so pedal bins or those with swing lids are often used.You can also such good companies that will helps to dispose the bins waste in a very clean way.. Check www.atyourdisposal.co.uk to choose the best waste collection company. Thanks a lot for for such a good share .. Hope this information will help you out.
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