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Rachelv  
#1 Posted : 04 December 2015 22:12:04(UTC)
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Rachelv

I arranged a fire evacuation practice at work today in conjunction wit the local fire service. This involved a little planning and planting a couple of their dummies within the manufacturing area. It was a fantastic opportunity for the business to evaluate our procedures and to confirm that we had provided the necessary high risk information to the Fire Service. We have come away with some learning points and they had the opportunity to trial their new breathing apparatus procedures. One comment from them was that they don't get the opportunity to practice in different environments enough and risk becoming complacent by using their own training facilities. I encourage you if you have the facilities to liaise with your local station and run one of these events.
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 05 December 2015 14:47:52(UTC)
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firesafety101

Rachel, well done, this serves to not only practice your own procedures but the FRS will now know who, where you are and what you do.

I am interested in who rescued the dummies? The FRS are not obliged to carry out rescues now so was it your employees or were they happy to?

mssy  
#3 Posted : 05 December 2015 16:47:38(UTC)
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mssy

The FRS are not obliged to carry out rescues now

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FS101 - You are not getting away with that throw away comment without explaining more!!!! I take it you mean during exercises?????
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 06 December 2015 16:24:33(UTC)
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firesafety101

OK Mssy thought you put me on the spot then eh haha

Have a look at

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/21/

8.(1)(a) where it states specifically rescues from road traffic accidents.

11.(2)(a) where it specifically does not state rescue from fires.

Does not mention rescue from fires anywhere in the legislation, unless you can find it for me?

Why do you think people died in the recent fire in Newcastle, another 2 deaths in the house explosion Derbyshire recently where the firefighters waited outside the house while two people were inside.

Please let me know if you can find anything to counter what I am saying.

Have a look at the FRS generic risk assessmentshttps://www.gov.uk/gover...file/14911/gra-intro.pdf

to see if you can find one on rescues from fires and get back to me. I am always willing to learn.

stevie40  
#5 Posted : 06 December 2015 20:01:18(UTC)
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stevie40

FS101 - linky not working :-)

As an insurance surveyor we often suggest (not require) a brigade familiarisation visit / drill is arranged with the local brigade.

Lay on the tea and biscuits and the local crews will spend a while getting the lay of the land and learning the hazards.

Ideal for nursing homes, schools, warehouse risks as well as manufacturing.

I would often combine this with a suggestion for a site fire plan to be held in a locked red box near the entrance, highlighting the hazards such as LPG, chemical stores and also location of isolation valves.
mssy  
#6 Posted : 06 December 2015 20:54:58(UTC)
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mssy

FS101

http://www.legislation.g.../ukpga/2004/21/section/7

I am anxious not to hijack this thread, but I will make this single post on the subject and perhaps we can take the conversation elsewhere

How about section 7 (1)(b)

(1)A fire and rescue authority must make provision for the purpose of—

(b)protecting life ............

I have never really studied this act as the passing of the 1947 Fire Service Act was not an important landmark in my life, but you raise an interesting point
Jane Blunt  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2015 21:18:59(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Returning to the original post, I can also recommend this. We extended an invitation to our local Fire service to use our premises. They did a number of exercises, and we also learned a lot from it (such as how well the information in our PIB matched their needs).

They did:
Rescue of dummies from a smoke logged building (several times).
A Hazmat incident
Training for the retained fire crews

This was particularly useful to them while their headquarters were being rebuilt and they lost their own training factilities.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 07 December 2015 09:24:51(UTC)
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firesafety101

After I left the fire brigade 25 years ago a became fire prevention officer at a local factory.

I arranged an exercise with the brigade, my old station, in conjunction with my works fire brigade.

The fire brigade brought out some dummies and planted them, for the brigade to search and rescue.

I videoed the exercise as much as I could be everywhere at once and when I showd the film to management the biggest criticism was the time it took the brigade to arrive. The station is less than 2 miles away but they do not use blues and twos and keep to speed limits so take longer than if it was a real call.

My works brigade personnel, lads and lasses, had water on the "fire" and were really keen to carry out the rescues wearing BA but had to wait until the brigade arrived.

A very false situation but at least I could show management how efficient my works team were.
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