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Hi all ,
Looking for some information regarding an incident at work that caused an amputation to the tip of an employees right index finger after initial surgery was not a success
This is not the question , the question is if injured employee asks for a copy of the incident report is the employee entitled to a copy or should this document only be handed to the companies insurers to deal with any correspondence regarding a claim . Also the said employee is also a safety rep and under the regulations is entitled to view reports but would this just be to review a report and not have a copy of the document and any supporting evidence
Any information you provide and legal evidence of this matter would be greatly appreciated
Mike
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I have to ask why there would be an issue giving them a copy of the investigation report? Presumably they assisted in the report in the first place.
From my days as TU Rep I recall that they are entitled to be included in a RIDDOR investigation and I presume this is or will be a RIDDOR. So, I see no good reason why they cannot have a copy of the report...unless the company has something to hide.
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No nothing to hide just wanted advice on the legal stance as i have an obligation to the company as well as the employee . I want to do whats best for both parties
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I don't really see the issue - in my experience if the employee goes to a solicitor with a view to making a claim the first thing the solicitor will do is request the accident report and details of the subsequent investigation which you will be duty bound to provide anyway so they will get there hands on it one way or another. I would however add that I would seek clarification from your insurers before issuing it directly.
You should also note that if you fail to give them it following an informal request that the individual can make a subject access request under the Data Protection Act and then you will have no choice but to give them access to it.
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I think it is almost impossible to stop the injured person seeing the accident report. You will have to make a full discloser if it goes to court and you will probably disclose it during negotiations for compensation if it doesn’t. There is also the Freedom of Information Act.
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The FOI act only applies to information held by public organisations.
As for the injured party seeing the accident report, since he/she is also a safety rep:
"Safety Representatives and Safety Committees
Regulations 1977 (SRSC)
Under the SRSC reps have the following rights both in
general and in relation to accidents, diseases and
dangerous occurrences:
Investigate dangerous occurrences and causes of
accidents
(Reg 4(1)(a)).
Make representations to the employer on behalf of
members, represent members in discussions with
health and safety inspectors and receive information
from inspectors
(Reg 4(1)(c), (d), (f) and (g)
I also fail to see any [company] advantage from withholding information from the injured party. Unless.
Oh, and we had better not forget the DPA and its provisions for subject access.
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The organisation I work for has a policy for this that I fully endorse. If a request is made to see the accident report then the report is made available for the IP / safety rep on site. No copy can bemade and it cannot be taken off site at that point.
In the event that legal proceedings ensue ie an ELI claim then the accident report will be disclosed as part of the normal disclosure process without delay. The reason for this is that the report is a company document and must be controlled in the same way that all company documents are controlled. If a copy leaves site the company must be confident that there is strict control over who has access to the information in that document. As part of the disclosure process the document is controlled by the courts and so confidence is maintained. Giving out copies to anyopne who asks that confidence is lost.
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PL53 wrote:The organisation I work for has a policy for this that I fully endorse. If a request is made to see the accident report then the report is made available for the IP / safety rep on site. No copy can bemade and it cannot be taken off site at that point.
In the event that legal proceedings ensue ie an ELI claim then the accident report will be disclosed as part of the normal disclosure process without delay. The reason for this is that the report is a company document and must be controlled in the same way that all company documents are controlled. If a copy leaves site the company must be confident that there is strict control over who has access to the information in that document. As part of the disclosure process the document is controlled by the courts and so confidence is maintained. Giving out copies to anyopne who asks that confidence is lost.
Great thank you this was the kind of information i was looking for I agree that it is a controlled document that should be held on file , no problem with the IP viewing the document and off course the legal process goes without saying .
Thank you again it is much appreciated
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Be wary what information you supply. If you supply a full accident report and have identified some organisational shortfalls or breaches of the law you may discriminate yourself - in which would prejudice your case. In law information cane be protected from disclosure, this is called 'legal privilege' . This has to be declared by your solicitor and DPA does not apply.
I would supply the initial accident report and the initial investigation report (without any actions or recommendations).
I hope this is helpful.
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Toe wrote:Be wary what information you supply. If you supply a full accident report and have identified some organisational shortfalls or breaches of the law you may discriminate yourself - in which would prejudice your case. In law information cane be protected from disclosure, this is called 'legal privilege' . This has to be declared by your solicitor and DPA does not apply.
I would supply the initial accident report and the initial investigation report (without any actions or recommendations).
I hope this is helpful.
A full accident report that does not find organisational short falls would and should be a very rare beast
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Toe wrote:Be wary what information you supply. If you supply a full accident report and have identified some organisational shortfalls or breaches of the law you may discriminate yourself - in which would prejudice your case. In law information cane be protected from disclosure, this is called 'legal privilege' . This has to be declared by your solicitor and DPA does not apply.
I would supply the initial accident report and the initial investigation report (without any actions or recommendations).
I hope this is helpful.
For 'legal privilelge' to be cited, inter alia, the investigation report must be commisioned by the solicitor representing the company or insurance company for the sole reason of defending a claim.
Anyway, whatever happened to the positive safety culture principles? Open, honest, transparent...surely these are the virtues we as practitioners should be promoting.
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Agree with Ray, only makes employees think you are hiding something, openess is the key. There is nothing at all to be gained by with holding anything including recommendations. If he takes you to court the recommendations will be taken into account.
When I was a union rep. you wouldn't of got away with hiding anything, because I would of insisted of being part of the investigation team. Then again a good company will always invite you to attend.
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Sorry if his opens up an old and commonly discussed issue but the content of the accident form whether it goes to the injured person or their solicitors is relevant here.
In a very recent case, we had an employee injured while manual handling (cut hand). With all my normal intentions, the form we completed recorded that he had received accredited training, been provided with gloves, etc and in the improvement action section we stated that he will be reminded to observe the procedures he was taught during the training and to wear his gloves for such tasks (he wasn't wearing them at the time of the incident).
This was severely criticised by our own insures who have indicated that they will not be defending the claim. They said that the wording above could be construed as an admission that we knew he wasn't observing his training or wearing his gloves. The advice we were given is that we should basically have recorded something along the lines of - "The injured person had received suitable and sufficient training for this task and at the time of the injury he was not working in accordance with the training received" or similar wording.
I think I will be tempted to utilise the BLAME approach in future!
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Alistair
Don't believe all you hear from insurers. For starters, most claims under £5k will not be contested because it's not worthwhile in terms of legal costs.
If it did go to court I am confident contributory negligence would apply. If the IP was issued gloves and received training, then what is the basis of the claim? The IP is unlikely to get anything more than loss of earnings, which if he has been off sick and paid he's not going to get much extra.
There was nothing wrong with your wording in the report. Someone is talking nonsense, probably to justify why they are not defending the claim and no doubt they will offer £1k to get rid of the claim unless it's very serious injury.
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Thanks Ray.
He was off for exactly 12 weeks then returned (his full sick pay entitlement is 12 weeks per year surprise surprise). You are right about the insures but we (our Bursar mainly) are asking them to defend it as it sends out all the wrong messages to other employees.
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The wording in an accident report can be critical in some situations and may sway a case either way. Sometimes alluding to the IP being at blame in a report in not helpful. Again you must not self incriminate yourself as well.
A case I was once involved with, was with an employee that was injured by a service used, the word 'attacked' and 'violent' was used in the report, however, the defence lawyers could prove otherwise. If other words were used it would have been different outcome.
Ray
My point about legal privilege is about withholding information from the outset, because at this point you do not know of any outcomes. You are correct, and I also stated in my post this has to be declared by your solicitor. It would be too late to claim legal privilege after you have given the IP the full accident investigation with incriminating evidence.
So... my point is, be very careful what you write in an accident reports and what information you supply to the IP or their solicitor. Withhold certain information and let either the interested parties or the courts decide on the disclosure of relevant information. Remember it is for the pursuer to prove their case in civil law.
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