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Andy S  
#1 Posted : 21 December 2015 16:36:09(UTC)
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Andy S

I have started work in a low risk distribution company and we display Days Since Last Recordable Incident Boards. If we class recordable as RIDDOR then we would probably have very good statistics, I have however seen the normal slips, trips and falls which result in minimum first aid. Does anyone have a better solution, my thought would be to report days since last accident?
Psycho  
#2 Posted : 21 December 2015 16:48:02(UTC)
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Psycho

Andy S wrote:
Does anyone have a better solution, ?
yes my solution would be get rid of the board --bad idea concentrate on safety culture instead and replace with board saying we look after our staff rather than you have an accident and you are to blame which you are doing with this board
David Bannister  
#3 Posted : 21 December 2015 16:48:25(UTC)
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David Bannister

Hi Andy. I personally dislike these boards as mere "vanity signs" and also because setting the clock back to zero is such a demotivator. There is often a large slice of luck involved in these measurements (good and bad) so the actual length of time is not really indicative of how the safety management regime is performing. If the board is outside the site gate then the space could probably be used by the marketing department; if inside the premises then display of real achievements or topical safety/health messages may make better use of the space. I realise this response is probably not what you were looking for but good luck with your new work.
Kate  
#4 Posted : 21 December 2015 19:16:01(UTC)
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Kate

'Recordable accident' is an American term and refers (roughly speaking) to accidents resulting in serious injury or in medical treatment. In the USA these are the ones that businesses are legally obliged to record. Accidents resulting in first aid only are not normally 'recordable'. Your number of 'recordable' accidents is probably very similar to your number of RIDDOR injuries. So if you use the definition of 'recordable' on the OSHA website (they have a very precise definition that goes into far more detail than I will here) your stats will instantly improve. 'Recordable accident' is not a meaningful term in the UK. I'm pretty sure the board was copied from an American one. Many sites globally do use 'recordable accidents' as a metric because they are US-owned. The fact that the board is mis-named is another argument to get rid of it in addition to those already given (with which I agree from experience).
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 21 December 2015 19:38:08(UTC)
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RayRapp

Some organisations use the definition of an accident meaning any Lost Time Injury (LTI). However like the other posters I dislike the concept altogether. Indeed I have never found a h&s person who has a good word to say about this practice. Which goes to show it is not an initiative condoned by a safety person, rather some numpty in a boardroom who has not got a Scooby Doo about safety.
walker  
#6 Posted : 22 December 2015 08:00:54(UTC)
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walker

As Ray says, you will not find a thinking H&S person who likes them. They drive incident reporting underground. Have a read of what the Baker report (BP texas city refinery) has to say about managers telling their bosses what they want to hear.
Invictus  
#7 Posted : 22 December 2015 08:33:31(UTC)
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Invictus

I feel the same as most about these boards. I worked for a company not as H&S and not only did it drive reporting underground it also led to management bullying. As they didn't want their section to be the one that broke the days. It can in a lot of companies actually make safety worse as employees etc. Will not report dangerous occurrences, near misses or accidents for fear of reprisals. Therefore not investigations taking place to reduce potential risks.
HSSnail  
#8 Posted : 22 December 2015 08:52:16(UTC)
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HSSnail

My goodness it must be Christmas or something everyone is agreeing! I hate them as well - especial if linked to a performance target or a bonus all they do is drive the real picture underground as people stop reporting so reduce your chances of recognising patterns and putting control measures in place.
Andrew W Walker  
#9 Posted : 22 December 2015 09:00:30(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

The best use of a board like that is firewood. As other posters have said- it could result in incidents not being reported. Imagine a firm that has had 99 days of no 'recordable' accidents and are very enthusiastic about 'Target Zero'. In my opinion its a recipe for hiding incidents and pandering to the top management. Andy
jodieclark1510  
#10 Posted : 22 December 2015 09:24:03(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

I agree that personally I wouldn't use them. I prefer the open and honest approach of how many accidents we have had and whether they were RIDDOR, LTA or minor first aids etc. I would rather be able to show amount of accidents or the severity has gone down, or that reporting is going up rather than have days clear of accidents. Part of a good health and safety culture in a workplace is being open and showing just blame where required.
gramsay  
#11 Posted : 22 December 2015 09:29:16(UTC)
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gramsay

When you do get rid of them, it would be a good idea to make sure everyone on site understands why. Lots of people outside of the H&S world do think these are a good idea - I've had people suggest things like this on many sites in several different jobs. Usually they remember a board like this being in place, and reckon that the reason bosses removed it was because they wanted to cover up poor safety records - the opposite of the real reason! So be careful your action doesn't have the opposite effect to the one you intend. Good luck with the job, Andy, and have a fine Christmas.
Ian Bell2  
#12 Posted : 22 December 2015 10:57:58(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

These signs fall into the same category as the 'Zero accidents target' discussion from the other day. All part of the h&s propaganda school - meaningless nonsense.
paulm69  
#13 Posted : 22 December 2015 15:29:42(UTC)
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paulm69

Imagine arriving at an airport check in and the sign above the desk says something like, "it's xxx days since our last crash". Those boards are a measure of failure which, in my experience, are never used for any other business function...for example, we don't see signs stating "it's xxx days since we last made a profit". As has been previously stated - meaningless-
Kate  
#14 Posted : 22 December 2015 15:37:27(UTC)
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Kate

Crikey, I keep expecting when new responses are added that someone will have broken ranks on this - but not yet!
martin1  
#15 Posted : 22 December 2015 15:47:13(UTC)
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martin1

I used to work in the petro chem industry. These boards are common in the industry and stand at the gates of plants and refineries. They are there to give the head men and women a good feeling when they visit site. If the numbers are good they slide back in their seats and smile comfortable in the knowledge that their leadership is saving lives. If the numbers are bad they give the plant manager a ollocking. Head honchos love giving ollockings. Either way they leave site happy.
Corfield35303  
#16 Posted : 22 December 2015 15:49:35(UTC)
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Corfield35303

Kate There IS value in letting your employees know when you have reached a milestone, for example if you've had one year since the last RIDDOR reportable, in my opinion, its worth the boss sending an email or putting a notice up to thank people and to promote good performance. But I cant think of any good reason for these boards except for the Simpsons comedy value of someone falling off a ladder while they are changing the number.
jay  
#17 Posted : 22 December 2015 15:55:50(UTC)
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jay

We do not have a "board" but we do have it as one of the slides in the slideshow in a loop in the site reception. However, it is not the only or the most important criteria. Our HQ is in UK, but we are a global group and use the OSHA Recordable criteria for our internal/corporate HSE Reporting. In my experience, if one uses the OSHA recordable criteria, it is most likely the statistics will actually be worse ( i.e. show an increase) compared to RIDDOR. Unlike RIDDOR, OSHA's definition/explanation/interpretation of work-relatedness is much wider! I accept that setting the clock back can be demoralising to some extent, but on the other hand it could also motivate to do better. Has it caused under-reporting in the 11 years I have been with the company? No as the first-aids, near misses etc initially increased , stabilised and is now on an overall downward trend. One cannot hide the first-aids as we do not have first-aid kits lying about. Instead our first-aiders who have The maturity level of the organisational & safety culture and leadership are all factors that come into play However, we place greater emphasis on leading indicators outputs from our HSE Management Systems
Rees21880  
#18 Posted : 22 December 2015 16:03:58(UTC)
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Rees21880

Andy S Your original query was "Is there a better solution?". I agree with the ideal that the safety culture needs working on, however, that is unlikely to happen overnight in most organisations. So, for us, our aspiration is Target Zero....zero LTIs (which we're currently achieving, as we're are currently at 1.9 million hours since our last LTI) but also zero first aid cases - which we're not close to! Working in a combined office- and field-based environment across UK, Europe, USA and Africa we're pretty happy with this record but appreciate that there is always room for improvement. We focus our safety campaigns on trend analysis and are looking at reducing our First Aid Cases Frequency Rate period by period. Does this drive reporting underground? Not in our experience, and not in my experience across almost 20 years as a H&S Professional - if anything, my/our initial experiences have seen the opposite as we've experienced, for example, a significant increase in near misses! No system is perfect, but the important thing is that they are business specific and add value operationally and not just pander to bonkers conkers! We try and enthuse and encourage management, operators and contractors/supply chain by providing them with simple-to-use systems that don't stifle their ability to work. Remember - Information, Instruction, Training and Supervision are key. (PS Kate - I've spent the last half hour thinking about this and only just seen yours and subsequent comments lol) Pete
SNS  
#19 Posted : 22 December 2015 23:11:13(UTC)
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SNS

The only board of any use that I've seen recently was at a local builders merchant, it reads: "The most important thing you will do today will be to go home to your family safely at the end of it" I really dislike the propaganda and days boards for all the reasons given above, one company even had a pay bonus attached to goal numbers of days.
John J  
#20 Posted : 22 December 2015 23:51:24(UTC)
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John J

It depends on the maturity of your safety culture and how you got there. 'Days since' boards are fine and do give some indication of performance but don't paint the full picture. I also measure inspections, coaching sessions, health reviews, safety reps inspections, equipment reliability, near misses, etc etc. I also trend this to find out where are issues are. If your culture is mature enough the number of unreported accidents will be very low. You won't get all of them but acting on the ones you get, however trivial, will encourage an acceptable level of reporting.
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