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phargreaves04  
#1 Posted : 23 December 2015 09:40:19(UTC)
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phargreaves04

Probably been discussed before, however.... Our training for Fire Wardens does state that it is acceptable to fight a fire in its early stages, and if trained to do so. Specifically regarding fire extinguishers, and in your opinions, do you think it acceptable for these wardens to be shown how to use the equipment or do you think they would need to physically operate them. When I say shown they will have the extinguisher in front of them, shown how to operate, discuss different uses, and then will view a video on their operation and on which fires etc.
martin1  
#2 Posted : 23 December 2015 10:42:12(UTC)
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martin1

They need to fight a small fire not just watch the video. There is a technique to using the equipment that is best experienced first hand.
RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 23 December 2015 10:46:08(UTC)
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RayRapp

Personally I see nothing wrong with training fire wardens in the use of PFFE. As long as they are aware of their limitations and the proper instructions, then there is no good reason why they should not be able to tackle a small fire. I would include practical training in the use of a fire extinguisher but this is a moot point. In this risk averse age there is a tendency not to allow people to operate outside their comfort zone. Of course, in a real fire the main requirement is to get people to leave the premises promptly and fire wardens to assist others and to check the premises are clear.
mssy  
#4 Posted : 23 December 2015 21:42:41(UTC)
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mssy

We operate a 'show and tell' session to fire wardens (for their information) and a more detailed fire extinguisher session to those who would be expected to respond such as; security, FM and technical staff (as they are more likely to be required to use FFE). Even then, the practical part is just discharging extinguishers in a car park. I really do think there is a huge 'culture of difficulty' that's developed around the use of extinguishers. After all, they are in reality just an oversized aerosol can aren't they, and do not involve any rocket science to operate - just information So the most important part of extinguisher training is not how to use the kit, it's briefing staff when not to use it! Then if necessary, how to operate it safely in potentially hazardous circumstances. That can be achieved in the classroom for most low risk environments - with perhaps some video support.
toe  
#5 Posted : 24 December 2015 08:39:01(UTC)
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toe

In our industry we have vulnerable people in sleeping accommodation and for this reason we train all our staff the safe operation and use of extinguishers and fire blankets. This has proven useful and effective in the past. I have concluded that most people either trained or not would try and tackle a small fire with an extinguisher, and this is another reason for my thought proses to train our staff. As identified above, we stress the importance of tackling a small fire in its incipient stage no bigger that a waste paper basket. All staff attend a 1/2 day fire safety course including practical live fire fighting in which they will complete every 3 years. In between they will complete an annual e-learning course with questions to keep their knowledge up-dated. All are fire courses have IFSM accreditation. Note: Staff are not forced to do the practical part of the training and we do-not expect our staff to fight fires. However, we teach them the skills to make an informed decision to tackle a small fire or not. Our training course is not about using the extinguishers (although this is the part they enjoy) its about fire prevention and safe evacuation.
ajob100  
#6 Posted : 24 December 2015 09:14:14(UTC)
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ajob100

In our section of the company (curtain manufacture) we brief all staff not to fight any fire unless they are trained in the use of fire extinguishers using the old maxim of raise the alarm get out stay out. Our Fire wardens are trained in the use of and have discharge training but not live fire training that is carried out and signed off by the company that does our yearly inspection of the extinguishers this works well as older units are used and replaced by the company concerned. But they are briefed by myself that waste paper basket sized fires are the maximum size to fight only. As an ex Royal Navy trained fire-fighter I know there is a temptation to get a second extinguisher and then just one more and find yourself trapped with a rapidly escalating fire/ smoke situation around you so one extinguisher only then if not successful get out and leave it to the professionals who would much rather be fighting a fire than looking for persons trapped.
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