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Some of you may have seen media articles last week about a virtually blind girl being banned from using her white stick while at her primary school in Bristol. If you missed them, examples include http://www.independent.c...fety-fears-a6738806.html and http://www.dailymail.co....-cane-trip-teachers.html Sadly, the Daily Mail article indulges in a characteristic dig at OSH; One of sub-headings states "A Health and Safety officer said the fibreglass stick posed a risk to pupils", even though there's no indication of any OSH professional being involved. The subsequent article actually quotes the headteacher as saying that the advice came from a "school mobility officer". Interestingly, though many of the comments posted by readers beneath the article lambasted the school and "health and safety gone mad", one did say "Which health and safety officer? Real H&S people get really peed off when schools claim H&S for stupid reasons." Despite doing some internet delving yesterday, I could find no reports of any developments about the matter. However, an article by the Bristol based "Western Daily Press" at http://www.westerndailyp...200991-detail/story.html ascribes the white stick ban to advice given to the school by Sensory Support Service consultants and cites in some detail the reaction of a senior HSE inspector to the matter. I think he's correct; Though much of my career involved work with schools and colleges I can't recall any instances of reports or queries about safety problems posed by staff or pupils with white sticks, crutches, wheelchairs or guide dogs.
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In my experience, and it is first hand as my wheelchair user daughter went to main stream schools, and I took her primary school to court and won, (no money involved I might add, only a change in the school practices and procedures) the only danger to anyone at school is caused by the ignorance of the staff and the only people to suffer are the disabled kids.
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Graham
Not read all the links but if it's true it is shocking. The person(s) who made this shameful decision should be hauled across the coals.
The problem with this type of scenario is access to proper h&s practitioners who I hpoe and I'm sure, would not make such an ignorant ruling. Schools and other government type quangos do not invest in proper h&s advice and get any old Tom, Dick or Harry.
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RayRapp wrote:Graham
Not read all the links but if it's true it is shocking. The person(s) who made this shameful decision should be hauled across the coals.
The problem with this type of scenario is access to proper h&s practitioners who I hpoe and I'm sure, would not make such an ignorant ruling. Schools and other government type quangos do not invest in proper h&s advice and get any old Tom, Dick or Harry. Very true!
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With the exception of the OP, you all sound like the Daily Mail target audience.
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Coverage in the Bristol Post included a response from the school that they hadn't banned the stick, just requested her not to bring it in (not sure what the difference really is in this context?) and that they would prefer her to use a shorter stick that would be less of a trip hazard, to which the girl's mother said she didn't want her to change from the stick she had become familiar with.
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This does not show a very good example to the pupils of the school does it.
When they learn that if a person with disabilities causes a nuisance and can be forced to alter the way they act there is no hope for disabled persons as they grow older.
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Kate wrote:Coverage in the Bristol Post included a response from the school that they hadn't banned the stick, just requested her not to bring it in (not sure what the difference really is in this context?) and that they would prefer her to use a shorter stick that would be less of a trip hazard, to which the girl's mother said she didn't want her to change from the stick she had become familiar with. Less of a trip hazard...what use is a short stick...will she have to use it bending down, or kneeling? The whole point is to give warning of approaching hazards.... Somehow, I feel that school is a whole mess of equalities breaches. Like another where the "available reliever" has to be administered TO the child with breathing difficulties BY an attendant....creepy...
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Im sure the other pupils would respect the fact that she may need a little more room. What's the point of a shorter stick.
It beggers belief!
If she or her mpther shpould sue the school and that takes a lot for me to say as I am the last person to offer this advice.
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At #8 & #9:
Look at the pictures and maybe you might think differently.
I know nothing about prescribing white sticks but it would seem to me that she has a stick for meant for an adult.
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http://sensorysupportservice.org.uk/about-us/The RA appears to have been carried out by this organisation who are not H&S consultants. They are a support service in the West of England for persons with sensory deprivation. Their advice should therefore be based on expertise in this area and from observation of the child in the school setting. Possibly she struggled with the large stick - we will never know. H&S was simply added by the DM and their readers to make a better story methinks.
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I am with walker on this . The stick is bigger than her! They want her to blend in as any other child but that might be a struggle when other children have to be 4ft away at all times. I see the long stick being fine at home or in the streets but at school in narrow hall ways etc ?
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Also will put the girl at risk when the children decide to start jumping over it. Become a game am sure
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There is a wider issue here and that is children with special needs in mainstream schools.
Nobody is istatemented now, there is a new system for individual health care plans to cater for SEN children in mainstream schools.
When I was young there were "special schools" and a "blind school" not far from where I lived.
Those schools were so good at looking after their pupils that I doubt if any issues lime this existed.
Mainstream schools, even when designated disabled friendly, are usually not prepared for all disabled pupils.
My daughter attended mainstream primary, and High schools and we experienced so many problems you would not believe. They were very discrimatory and I eventually sued the Primary school and the Judge decided in our favour. I did not ask for money just the school to change their policies.
My daughter now attends a "hospital school" where other kids with issues attend and we do not have problems because the school is designd for disabled kids and the staff are all trained and aware.
OK there were some small issues but the school did all they could to support our daughter, they had fire door restraint installed so she can get around the whole school by herself, she has made friends with pupils with issues and lots in common and more importantly very small class sizes, 6 in a class.
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One problem
We are on this thread upset that a RA should in effect cause discrimination wrt a child when on other threads we happily risk assess away the need for separate disabled toilets!!!!!
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Walker makes a good point at #10. The flurry of similar media reports which appeared on or just after 17th Nov might well arise in part from confusion and inadequate communication about whether the girl is being asked to use a 'short' stick or a 'shorter' stick in school or, more drastically, not to use any stick at all and instead be accompanied all the time by an adult when in school.
After seeing the media reports I deliberately waited a week with the intention of seeing if any updates became available on the internet, e.g. comments by RNIB (Royal National Institute of Blind People) before initiating this thread. The apparent absence of updates to date doesn't necessarily mean that nothing is actually happening about the matter; It's quite possible that considerable discussions have taken place, perhaps involving OSH professionals, with the aim of identifying and providing sensible, reasonably practicable arrangements for the girl.
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"The school's mobility officer raised health and safety issues around the new cane following a recent risk assessment. "We have to consider all of our pupils, so it is important that we have an opportunity to discuss the situation before we make any decisions. "We are very keen to resolve this issue as soon as possible and have been actively seeking to engage with the parent to bring this to an agreeable conclusion."
Hmmm....and the cane is shorter than the girl....by the comparison picture, about half-a-head.
Still, I expect the girls mother will soon have it sorted....
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With all due respect (and after working in such areas for many years) I have found in my personal experience that very few [if any] mobility officers, QCC, Ofsted people, teachers or similar are competent in the real art of risk assessment or adequate management hence we have such poor situations in our schools & the press use one area alone e.g. H&Safety to have a 'go' at no matter what the truth is I am not having a go at individuals especially so as many are well meaning people its the system that needs to be overhauled but unfortunately things are not going to change in my lifetime
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Additionally I looked at working for one high flying private fee paying school recently and when discussing equality [and even fire related areas related to equality] I was told point blank that 'we do not have those types here' [the head said that very rich parents rule the roost and the school has to go where the £ is!] - what a terrible situation we have
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bob youel wrote:Additionally I looked at working for one high flying private fee paying school recently and when discussing equality [and even fire related areas related to equality] I was told point blank that 'we do not have those types here' [the head said that very rich parents rule the roost and the school has to go where the £ is!] - what a terrible situation we have Very common. Instead of arranging access/toilet requirements, do not employ anyone needing same. Quite sad, and wrong, but a large element in society have that attitude. Who would have thought that disabled people would be labelled scroungers by most of the "free" press a few years ago?
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We have a blind member of our team who's output is above most of her peers and the quality equal if not higher.
We have staff with learning difficulties who a work just as hard and often more effectively as those who are "normal"
Most of our staff learn basic sign language so that they can communicate, even if it is just saying hi, how are you, with our deaf colleagues.
I would be happy to bet that of all unsafe acts that occur on our sites, 90%+ are done by those without disability.
Not employing persons because of physical, sensory or learning difficulties, is not only illegal, it is immoral and completely short sighted.
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I have seen many blind people out using long sticks, the reason being that they move it in an arc in front of themselves to check if anything is in the way and where there might be a kerb. So if you explain the need for the stick, really a wand, to the children at her school I am sure they would understand and not get in her way.
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David68 wrote:We have a blind member of our team who's output is above most of her peers and the quality equal if not higher.
We have staff with learning difficulties who a work just as hard and often more effectively as those who are "normal"
Most of our staff learn basic sign language so that they can communicate, even if it is just saying hi, how are you, with our deaf colleagues.
I would be happy to bet that of all unsafe acts that occur on our sites, 90%+ are done by those without disability.
Not employing persons because of physical, sensory or learning difficulties, is not only illegal, it is immoral and completely short sighted. 'Short sighted' really!
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As mentioned in a separate thread (Blind Girl Who Was Banned From Using Cane At School ‘Forced Out After Bullying Campaign’) courtesy of boblewis on 22 Dec, it seems that postings on so-called 'social' media sadly led to a decision by the girl's mother to transfer her to another school. The latest media reports from around 20-22nd Dec include http://www.independent.c...estershire-a6781936.html and http://www.westerndailyp...400747-detail/story.html A major problem with discussing this matter is that our information about it consists almost wholly of what has been published by newspapers. These are commercial organisations which tend to be more interested in producing eye-catching sensationalist stories to attract and engage readers rather than trying to establish and report facts. Also, how did the matter get into the public domain in the first place?!! Anyhow, I hope that the girl will be able to settle reasonably quickly into her new school (another local primary school) after she starts there. This includes getting to learn its building layout and making new friends. Also, presumably the prospective new school will have been well aware of the circumstances which led to the transfer. Therefore, it's tempting to wonder what conditions, if any, the new school has suggested or might suggest about her walking cane. In due course we might learn from media reports if the girl is able to use her cane at the new school and without causing any significant problems. No doubt there are numerous blind or visually impaired pupils at other mainstream schools in the UK. If any forum readers happen to know of such pupils (e.g. through work with schools or as parents of fellow pupils) who use similar canes, please can you comment as to whether or not such canes are known to cause any safety problems for staff and other pupils? For obvious reasons, if you do respond, please indicate the approximate age of the pupil and the type of school they attend (e.g. primary or secondary) but DO AVOID including any information by which the pupil and school could be identified.
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RayRapp wrote:Graham
Not read all the links but if it's true it is shocking. The person(s) who made this shameful decision should be hauled across the coals.
The problem with this type of scenario is access to proper h&s practitioners who I hpoe and I'm sure, would not make such an ignorant ruling. Schools and other government type quangos do not invest in proper h&s advice and get any old Tom, Dick or Harry. What is a proper H&S practitioner???
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