Hi Chris I found these when I was looking at a similar system. http://www.solentplastic...and-airtight-kegs-drums/ Ta Andy

Hi Chris, Firstly, I would definitely 100% NOT recommend calling 999 just to inform them of the hazards on site. I would ring the local brigade, yes it may well be another service attending, but they are still able to get information from the local forces, but also Definitely have all of the information in a fire folder etc. For many of my sites I have a fire folder, which contains all of the relevant information, and this folder in kept inside the offices, within this I also include the fire alarm test results, site plans, location of hazards, fire escape routes, location of PFE's, roll call sheets etc. etc. etc. so having this outside is in my opinion a waste as I wont contain half of the information that it should do. I have never come across fire information being stored outside. The information should be continually reviewed, and if in the event of an evacuation the information taken to the assembly point, to where the fire service can obtain that information. This way, 1 the information won't go missing when you need it most, and 2 is continually reviewed and updated so that if it were ever needed, it is containing the most accurate and up to date information.

I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. You should inform about specific hazards, e.g. copy of asbestos register, position of flammable gases etc. Fire Service will then upload to database accessible in all appliance cabs. This ensures appropriate response and that arrive suitably informed and prepared. That reading up is done during the journey, not on-site!

Thanks all Andrew yes that was the sort of thing in my head, but the other responses have put some doubt if outside is the best place. I was thinking outside to prevent anyone not going directly out, but going back or back in to get this info. Ie person in office is in toilet or workshop or out having cigarette etc etc. So your link may still be a good one. Kate In the back of my mind I may have seen a fire wallet, slightly puzzled by the red box file. If you did, why not just have the box file and dispense with the fire wallet. However I just googled "fire Wallet" and was surprised by the fact you can get wallet with flames that come out of it- try it ! Sorry Mathew I didn't perhaps write what I meant clearly, I was not suggesting call 999 just to make them aware of hazards, but in a real fire situation. Then if it may not be the local crew it seemed pointless pre warning them, but better to just give those that do arrive useful info. Realistically this is no big chemical site, but we do have a Oxy acetylene set and a couple of other thing they should know about, but easy enough to put on a plan etc. In my last place I have a vague recollection of a large Tupperware box behind the assembly point, with torch and other useful stuff as well as the documents ( not on boundary fence though). Just seen your last post Kate, didn't realise they had a database of info ( so will that print out and they bring it with them). This is not a big site only 6 employees there generally, I would not have thought they would be that interested in us. Interesting responses all though, thanks Chris

When we had a 7(2)d visit from the FRS they asked us to have a folder on site with all the relevant information in there- as well as e-mailing them so they had a soft copy. Fortunately we have 24 hour security so its easy to leave it in the lodge. At the time were looking at closing the site completely at weekends- so there would not be any access to the folder. It was at this point that I looked at the waterproof container. Kept in a box with a numbered seal on there- this was checked on a weekly basis. Had we have gone down this route the FRS were quite happy with the box solution on site. Andy

Sorry to confuse, the zip-up fire wallet and the box file are containers in use at different places and at different times - it's one or the other not both! For us, we keep the fire wallet in Reception by the fire alarm panel. The fire service have indicated that they want to be met at Reception and not at the assembly point which is across the road. Therefore we designate someone to stay outside Reception to meet them, and that person can hand the fire wallet over. In my experience this is normal, they want to go straight to the entrance and talk to someone who knows what is going on and not to the assembly point.

Chris, I used to get the local fire safety officer involved at my previous employer - they would come and have a look around take away any info etc you should be able to google the local FRS and get a general number - then ask for the Fire Safety Officer. We used to have a lockable red plastic box with the emergency contingency plan and other relevant info in as well which if need the FRS could open quite easily :-) As an aside we used to arrange training sessions with them too when they would bring a crew out to 'practice' inside the factory. PM me if you want any other info. HTH a bit Stuart

Thanks all I didn't realise they had the ability to access information in the vehicle on the way. I will obviously do both now, inform the local station and have on site info. Still not wildly keen on people potentially having to go back into the building to get it though, as I have instructed everyone no to re enter the building or go and get their coats etc. I will discuss with them and go with whatever suggestion they make on location. Inside or outside. The bag does sound good if inside, and possibly the container from Andrews link if outside. Thanks All Chris

As people said most fire brigades would appreciate a “grab bag” which should contain, upto date plans, locations of specific hazards, location of fire boards and fire man’s switches etc. Although they might have an electronic database, I bet you it is not upto date. You also should ask them to visit your site and they will usually appreciate such cooperation.

We have an MOU with the loal fire brigade and offer familurisation tours as we have a large and complex premise, all this information i believe is on their Chem System fire officers carry but we also have a welcome pack at the main reception area which is given to the fire officer upon arrival. The pack contains the MOU which basically has all the buildings listed and any dangerous contents or substances inside (or out).

quote=Redders]You can get boxes that are attached to the outside of buildings to provide plans, risk information, etc. To the emergency services. Just google fire information box.

The Gerda Premises Information Box is an effective way to store info for fire service use. Following criticism of a lack of plans at the Kings Cross fire Public Enquiry, London Underground use these at all stations and install them around 4m off the pavement level to deter vandals. Many other premises in London and elsewhere have followed their lead The LFB appliances all carry a key (Best check that your local Brigade do before buying a box) so can access the details upon arrival 24/7. Its all very well supplying your details to the fire service so they can add it to their clever databases, but the advantage of Premises Info Boxes is that you have control of their content and can amend them immediately. That is useful for temporary changes and prevents the time delay of several weeks in the fire service have to top up the info. In addition, if your premises is close to a border between Counties, the databases will almost certainly not be shared, whereas the boxes are available to all fire crews The idea that the fire service crew can access these details en route is fanciful. After getting rigged in PPE in a moving appliance and determining the route etc, it is difficult to do any more than access a summary of info when being thrown about in a fire engine cab perhaps in the dark. In addition, reading plans off of a screen is (IMHO) less effective that having hard copies available on scene. For example, when briefing a BA crew before they enter. More here http://www.gerdasecurity...ses-information-box.aspx