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MrsSheila  
#1 Posted : 14 January 2016 16:26:42(UTC)
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MrsSheila

Although he coached the England side that beat us (Australia) in 2003 Rugby World Cup Final (drat that drop goal) I would really like to listen to what he has to say at the IOSH 2016 and perhaps be inspired. Anyone want to give me over £1,000 to attend or lend me the money at 0% interest payable back at £5.00 a month, please O pretty please?
Graham Parker  
#2 Posted : 14 January 2016 17:02:11(UTC)
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Graham Parker

Hi MrsSheila Unfortunately I am not in a position to pay for or loan you the money, however every branch has been allocated two tickets to give to members at each branch. I do not know the details of each branch and how they intend to distribute them, however the Thames Valley is doing it a draw of the names of those that attend the January and February meetings. It may be worth asking your local branch Sec what the South Downs branch intends to do? Regards Graham President Elect
Bigmac1  
#3 Posted : 14 January 2016 20:48:39(UTC)
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Bigmac1

I know the topic is leadership but how you can compare H&S with Rugby is beyond me and im heavily involved in both
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 14 January 2016 22:33:29(UTC)
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RayRapp

I can see a tenuous link but you might as well ask General McArthur. Anyway, I would have a lot of better things to blow a grand on if I had the money.
walker  
#5 Posted : 15 January 2016 08:12:09(UTC)
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walker

Graham Parker wrote:
Hi MrsSheila Unfortunately I am not in a position to pay for or loan you the money, however every branch has been allocated two tickets to give to members at each branch. I do not know the details of each branch and how they intend to distribute them, however the Thames Valley is doing it a draw of the names of those that attend the January and February meetings. It may be worth asking your local branch Sec what the South Downs branch intends to do? Regards Graham President Elect
Graham, So yet again, the 10 or so percent of members who attend branches are better served than the vast majority.
Xavier123  
#6 Posted : 15 January 2016 08:29:14(UTC)
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Xavier123

Time and again we're told that the difference between the nearly won's and the winners is culture and attitude. Not being an elite sportsman I can't say that I know ... but just last year I listened to Zinzan Brook talk (at a h&s event) about the All Blacks and how they prepared for each game, how they developed a winning mindset etc. and it was fascinating.
stuie  
#7 Posted : 15 January 2016 09:11:12(UTC)
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stuie

Hi Graham, Branch or district? I am a member of the Midlands Branch we have four districts - how does that equate or is it a case of tough luck those at the top of the branch get to choose? Or does each district get half a ticket? :-)
stuie  
#8 Posted : 15 January 2016 09:17:03(UTC)
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stuie

Sorry Graham - misread your post. Post in haste repent at leisure - oh for an edit/delete my own drivel function. Stu Oh and now I have to wait for ages and ages to repost now which will give others time to ridicule me before I get chance to correct myself:-(
chris42  
#9 Posted : 15 January 2016 09:52:23(UTC)
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chris42

Thanks Graham for the information- not your fault how much it costs or that there are only two free tickets and that they will only go to those lucky enough to be able to make it to branch meetings - we should not shoot the messenger. Suspect that the only people there will be those with free tickets. Find it hard to believe anything he has to say is worth £1,000. I'm starting to wonder if it is just me being a miser, not wanting to spend £1k on either a lecture or a metal box for a dozen fire docs. Chris Security image AaHER ( that's how I feel today as it happens)
hilary  
#10 Posted : 15 January 2016 09:55:03(UTC)
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hilary

I'm not entirely sure why it is so expensive. My husband ran a conference for about 120 delegates and they got it for under £150 each including accommodation for two nights and all food! Granted, they had some sponsorship and their speakers were free (apart from gifts) but surely IOSH with their numbers and buying power and sponsorship should be able to do this cheaply enough for normal members to attend. Not being funny but you can fly to Gran Canaria for two weeks off season for that money and I know where I would rather spend my hard earned pennies. Come on IOSH, get real with the pricing and you will get a lot more uptake and make money hand over fist. At the moment it is priced outside the pocketbook of the normal jobbing H&S bod.
Invictus  
#11 Posted : 15 January 2016 09:58:45(UTC)
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Invictus

hilary wrote:
I'm not entirely sure why it is so expensive. My husband ran a conference for about 120 delegates and they got it for under £150 each including accommodation for two nights and all food! Granted, they had some sponsorship and their speakers were free (apart from gifts) but surely IOSH with their numbers and buying power and sponsorship should be able to do this cheaply enough for normal members to attend. Not being funny but you can fly to Gran Canaria for two weeks off season for that money and I know where I would rather spend my hard earned pennies. Come on IOSH, get real with the pricing and you will get a lot more uptake and make money hand over fist. At the moment it is priced outside the pocketbook of the normal jobbing H&S bod.
I gather you would rather spend it listening to Sir Clive!
IanDakin  
#12 Posted : 15 January 2016 11:00:43(UTC)
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IanDakin

I really don't get how sports, and in particular athletics, stars can help me lead and inspire. I have a job that involves a complex large business, with thousands of colleagues and millions of customers. I have to keep the business within the law in a cost effective manner that does not isolate or annoy anyone. This is not a criticism of these athletes, but of conferences that book them. How can their ability to move their legs, or some other part of their body faster than others going to help me develop in my leadership role? Or am i just a grumpy old git?
Andrew W Walker  
#13 Posted : 15 January 2016 11:36:22(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

IanDakin wrote:
I really don't get how sports, and in particular athletics, stars can help me lead and inspire. I have a job that involves a complex large business, with thousands of colleagues and millions of customers. I have to keep the business within the law in a cost effective manner that does not isolate or annoy anyone. This is not a criticism of these athletes, but of conferences that book them. How can their ability to move their legs, or some other part of their body faster than others going to help me develop in my leadership role? Or am i just a grumpy old git?
Totally agree.
Graham Parker  
#14 Posted : 15 January 2016 11:47:31(UTC)
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Graham Parker

All I would just like to say that I posted an option that MrsSheila could follow as she expressed a desire to witness the Keynote speech. I am aware of the practice because I am involved with a branch. If i offend individuals because I choose to have involvement that way I am sorry, but its my prerogative. The conference is prepared and run on IOSH's behalf by UBM at one of the countries leading conference centers. IOSH do not get lots of free tickets, IOSH have to pay for the tickets, which gives the opportunity for some members to attend that otherwise would not attend. Yes this is a benefit, and is open to branch and group members. if you don't want to be involved with branches or groups that is your right, but please do not put down those that do get involved that way. Regards Graham President Elect
RayRapp  
#15 Posted : 15 January 2016 11:59:40(UTC)
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RayRapp

Graham, no mention of the extraordinary cost of a ticket or the relevance of Sir Clive Woodward I see - you should be a politician with those skills. :)P
zodiacmindwarp  
#16 Posted : 15 January 2016 12:08:00(UTC)
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zodiacmindwarp

Andrew W Walker wrote:
IanDakin wrote:
I really don't get how sports, and in particular athletics, stars can help me lead and inspire. I have a job that involves a complex large business, with thousands of colleagues and millions of customers. I have to keep the business within the law in a cost effective manner that does not isolate or annoy anyone. This is not a criticism of these athletes, but of conferences that book them. How can their ability to move their legs, or some other part of their body faster than others going to help me develop in my leadership role? Or am i just a grumpy old git?
Totally agree.
Top athletes and coaches use methods and approaches to their sport to excel and that can easily be transferred to any business. The difference between elite sports people and other competitors is usually just in the mind. Small improvements done consistently and practiced well to form good habits makes the difference between winning and losing. You can transfer this to good health and safety practice and take inspiration form sports people who have achieved great things.
IanDakin  
#17 Posted : 15 January 2016 12:48:41(UTC)
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IanDakin

zodiacmindwarp wrote:
Andrew W Walker wrote:
IanDakin wrote:
I really don't get how sports, and in particular athletics, stars can help me lead and inspire. I have a job that involves a complex large business, with thousands of colleagues and millions of customers. I have to keep the business within the law in a cost effective manner that does not isolate or annoy anyone. This is not a criticism of these athletes, but of conferences that book them. How can their ability to move their legs, or some other part of their body faster than others going to help me develop in my leadership role? Or am i just a grumpy old git?
Totally agree.
Top athletes and coaches use methods and approaches to their sport to excel and that can easily be transferred to any business. The difference between elite sports people and other competitors is usually just in the mind. Small improvements done consistently and practiced well to form good habits makes the difference between winning and losing. You can transfer this to good health and safety practice and take inspiration form sports people who have achieved great things.
Or - speakers who do more complex things at a very high level could be booked to speak. I am available for a fee. LOL.
RayRapp  
#18 Posted : 15 January 2016 12:50:56(UTC)
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RayRapp

zodiacmindwarp wrote:
Andrew W Walker wrote:
IanDakin wrote:
I really don't get how sports, and in particular athletics, stars can help me lead and inspire. I have a job that involves a complex large business, with thousands of colleagues and millions of customers. I have to keep the business within the law in a cost effective manner that does not isolate or annoy anyone. This is not a criticism of these athletes, but of conferences that book them. How can their ability to move their legs, or some other part of their body faster than others going to help me develop in my leadership role? Or am i just a grumpy old git?
Totally agree.
Top athletes and coaches use methods and approaches to their sport to excel and that can easily be transferred to any business. The difference between elite sports people and other competitors is usually just in the mind. Small improvements done consistently and practiced well to form good habits makes the difference between winning and losing. You can transfer this to good health and safety practice and take inspiration form sports people who have achieved great things.
The main difference between the top athletes and coaches...is their pay packet.
jay  
#19 Posted : 15 January 2016 12:56:34(UTC)
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jay

Events costs have to be recouped-perhaps that is why the cost? The relevance of great personalities/achievers is that they are supposed to be inspirational, irrespective of their vocation.
garryw1509  
#20 Posted : 15 January 2016 16:50:27(UTC)
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garryw1509

I heard him speak at the NHBC Health and Safety awards in 2014. A pretty decent presentation with him speaking of the very simple leadership tools he implemented and developed during his tenure with England. As a proud Glaswegian i wasn't overly excited at the thought of hearing him, but it was pretty enjoyable. Is he relevant? Depends where you sit on the cultural development question; if you are old school and prefer the policing approach, not for you. If you believe in coaching and mentoring, then this would be right up your street.
MrsSheila  
#21 Posted : 20 January 2016 09:20:10(UTC)
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MrsSheila

I would really like someone in authority at IOSH to justify the extroadinary, exhorbitant cost of this years IOSH 2016 conference. It is day light robbery and in my view discriminatory seeing as the cost precludes all but about 10 people of the 45,000 membership from affording the cost and attending.
descarte8  
#22 Posted : 20 January 2016 09:36:52(UTC)
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descarte8

Ian Bell2  
#23 Posted : 20 January 2016 09:47:58(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

All per others, asking £1000 to hear some Z rated 'celebrity' is way out of the league of your average H&S bod, who may be earns circa £30-40k per year. Why do we need a rugby coach to motivate us? Sounds like the 'Emperors new clothes'. Set your own standards and expectations, lead by example.
Andrew W Walker  
#24 Posted : 20 January 2016 09:56:30(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

Ian Bell2 wrote:
All per others, asking £1000 to hear some Z rated 'celebrity' is way out of the league of your average H&S bod, who may be earns circa £30-40k per year.
£30-£40k! I wish. My employer would not fork out £1000- no matter who was speaking! Still can't see the benefit of having him there- no matter how much I think about it Andy
sadlass  
#25 Posted : 20 January 2016 10:24:25(UTC)
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sadlass

I gave up going to IOSH conferences (or even bothering to look at what they were offering) many years back. I attended a couple, was put off by the lack of diversity, and found most of the sessions rather dull, predictable and uninspiring. ('How we did this in our blue chip company'). That may have changed . . . They were (then) not good value for money, with additional high accommodation costs, and very little fun. The cost just doesn't stack up, with all our subscriptions, and now not even a proper journal. If your employer will pay - lucky you. Mine did at first, til the costs rose to silly levels. I have been to other conferences (IIRSM, RoSPA, and IOSH Public Sector Symposia) all better value and more educational. I have also been to many not H&S related, where they seem to be able to do 3 days for less than £500. In slightly less posh hotels admittedly. Cut cloth accordingly. However, I do support the inspirational speaker component - it is important that we see beyond our own world and take a broader perspective. I have been privileged to attend a few such speaker events, including sports leaders, and there is relevance - you just need to NOT take the 'will it make the boat / bike go faster?' message too literally. It's about focus in your daily life, tackling the daunting etc. not actually winning a sporting medal. Anyway - I won't be there.
Rus1969  
#26 Posted : 20 January 2016 14:53:42(UTC)
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Rus1969

Sir Clive's fees would normally be somewhere between 11k and 15k. Will IOSH confirm what he is getting paid.
Ian Bell2  
#27 Posted : 20 January 2016 16:50:30(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

More the fool the organisations that pay this sort of money to him. Nice work if you can get it though!!
Victor Meldrew  
#28 Posted : 20 January 2016 16:54:09(UTC)
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Victor Meldrew

Only went when my employer paid or it cost me nowt....... did I think it was worth the money paid? No way. A good 'jolly' & good for CPD, & that's about it, it certainly didn't help me in terms of my business role. However, IOSH must continue to hold the event to keep themselves in the 'shop window' & I dare say it has little derogatory impact on IOSH financially. As regards the key note speakers well, all stage managed I'm afraid...... not forgetting the 'planted'' questions...... can't afford any embarrassment after all can we? ;-)
jay  
#29 Posted : 20 January 2016 17:07:39(UTC)
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jay

Organising & hosting successful events, with the "Organiser" having to deal with the entire event admin etc. at the best venues has a cost that will be realised by the "Organiser" and likely to be in the region of £ 400 to 500 per day unless subsidised. IChemE has similar costs for one of its key conferences:- http://www.icheme.org/ev...rds-26/registration.aspx http://www.icheme.org/hazards26
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