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RachelG89  
#1 Posted : 13 January 2016 18:46:31(UTC)
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RachelG89

Good evening All,

I am a newly appointed H&S Manager within a Company.

I am unsure if I need my own insurance? Also when writing the Company H&S policy etc is it worth having a Commercial Solicitors validate these documents?

I want to ensure that if anything were to happen that I was covered.

Just looking for some general advice!
Kate  
#2 Posted : 13 January 2016 20:08:02(UTC)
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Kate

It's quite possible that your employer's insurance policy covers employees for the kinds of eventualities you may be worried about. In any case, it's unlikely that anyone would go after you - they would go after your employer.

I can't imagine any benefit of a solicitor validating a H&S policy - what would they be validating exactly?
RachelG89  
#3 Posted : 13 January 2016 21:36:44(UTC)
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RachelG89

Hi Kate,

Many thanks I will enquire to ensure that this is the case. With regards to not me but the employer - there seems to be a large discussion at the moment on personnel of the business rather than the Company itself being fined etc?

In HR - the Company's solicitors create the relevant policies. My question is that is it not worth doing the same for H&S? I.e. formal documentation that would be used in the event of a claim? Or would it rather be something that if written by me (being new to the role and all) that could be externally checked over?

Personally I believe everything is now covered within the H&S policy however if it were to be verified it would at least set my mind at ease!
SNS  
#4 Posted : 13 January 2016 22:33:19(UTC)
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SNS

AS Kate says, normal operations would be covered by our employers insurance.

If you browse the HSE website there are examples of many documents, policies included.

If you are unsure it may be worth finding someone in a similar business to bounce ideas off, or at IOSH meetings if you are able to go, or employ a consultant to work with you.

If you have specific questions you could post in the members area - this is a public forum.

Good luck in your new post.

Regards

S
Steve W1  
#5 Posted : 14 January 2016 09:54:43(UTC)
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Steve W1

First of all - good luck in your new role.

Your company's insurance will cover you, however for your own piece of mind just ask your employer to confirm this. Any claims submitted will be against your company as Kate mentioned in her response. If you were self employed as a H&S consultant you would need to get yourself insured. A health and safety policy is only a statement of intent and included in it should be a written statement of assigned responsibilities so it should be straight forward and as brief as possible because if must be displayed within your company.
I find that networking within IOSH is extremely helpful and asking colleagues for examples of a H&S policy would be a good place to start.
I once did some work for a company and when I asked to see their H&S policy they proudly gave me a 250 page document to read. That's not a H&S company policy that was their complete H&S system.

Yet again good luck

Ian Bell2  
#6 Posted : 14 January 2016 09:56:10(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Is this your 1st job as a H&S Manager?

What previous training/experience do you have?

As an employee (if you are employed on that basis) you don't need your own personal insurance.

It is not necessary to have solicitors review your policy document - they will just complicate matters and write a document from the legal perspective.

You need to write a policy and get it internally reviewed and accepted by the company Board and MD.

As others have said, there is plenty of guidance around about how to write a policy and the likely contents. It only needs to be as long as is necessary to cover your company activities.
Kate  
#7 Posted : 14 January 2016 21:27:51(UTC)
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Kate

The trouble with insurance is that it doesn't cover fines (although it may cover other costs related to prosecutions eg legal advice, and it will cover compensation claims). If someone (whether individual or organisation) is fined, they have to pay the fine from their own resources regardless of what insurance they have, as insurers are prohibited from insuring against fines.

Prosecutions of individuals do occasionally happen, and they are discussed a lot when they do partly because they are so unusual.

I can see why you might have legal advice for HR policies, because these cover legally complex areas with many pitfalls, such as dismissal. If the dismissal policy is flawed, it may result in unfair dismissal claims succeeding even though dismissing the person might have been the right thing to do (but it was done in the wrong way). A solicitor might well be able to recognise such flaws. The H&S policy doesn't have these kinds of ramifications. All it really says is "We care about health and safety and in general terms this is how we go about it." That's something a solicitor can't help you with.

Making sure your H&S documentation is good enough is your job, I'm afraid - but if you are anxious or unsure, there is lots of help available, here or elsewhere. It could be useful to make contact with your counterparts in similar organisations - some sectors have groups that meet up regularly to discuss common issues and that can be very helpful in seeing what you need to do.
pl53  
#8 Posted : 15 January 2016 12:12:04(UTC)
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pl53

No need for insurance as has been said. Also no need to get your employer to confirm this. It is a legal duty placed on the employer.

Your H&S policy will be in 3 parts. The first part is a statement of intent eg a description of your company's activities, commitments to reduce accidents, meet legal requirements etc etc. This is the only part you need to write. This should be signed and dated by your MD or senior person on site

The second part is the organisational section where health and safety roles and responsibilities are documented. Normally this is managed by HR in the form of job descriptions etc, but can also include an H&S organisational chart.

The third part is the arrangements section which consists of all the things you do to manage health and safety such as risk assessments, safe working procedures etc etc. Obviously these all need to be documented but should already be in place.

Kate  
#9 Posted : 15 January 2016 16:23:07(UTC)
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Kate

As far as I know the only insurance employers all must legally have is employer's liability insurance. That only covers compensation for employees who are injured or made unwell through work. It is possible that the policy has some add-ons for employees who get into legal difficulties - but it doesn't have to.
jay  
#10 Posted : 15 January 2016 16:47:37(UTC)
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jay

As far as I am aware, the principle of "Respondeat superior" or "Vicarious Liability" will apply in for employed advisors/managers and therefore there is generally no need to have separate Profesional Liability Insurance. However, best to get independent legal advice, especially if you are at senior/top management level

The employer-employee relationship is the most common area respondeat superior is applied, but the doctrine is also used in the agency relationship. In this relationship, the principal becomes liable for the actions of the agent even if the principal did not commit the act. There are three considerations generally:
1.Was the act committed within the time and space limits of the agency?
2.Was the offense incidental to, or of the same general nature as, the responsibilities the agent is authorized to perform?
3.Was the agent motivated to any degree to benefit the principal by committing the act?

The degree to which these are answered in the affirmative dictates the degree to which the doctrine can be applied.
bob youel  
#11 Posted : 25 January 2016 13:59:07(UTC)
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bob youel

Best of luck in your new role but with all due respect should not a H&S manager know the answers to such questions?

Double check your employers legal and insurance cover as if in doubt/ in a problem situation the employers insurers and legal people will always work for the employer and not U the employee
David Bannister  
#12 Posted : 25 January 2016 16:59:55(UTC)
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David Bannister

Looking at the final issue of SHP there was an opinion expressed there that the probability of individuals being prosecuted for H&S breaches will become greater, alongside the increase in available sentences for the courts. I have seen no evidence to support this opinion but who knows the minds of those who would make these decisions!

It is not hard to find a potential conflict of interest between the EL insurers' duty to their client (employer) and a senior or mid-level manager in the event of a prosecution of both. Whilst there may be defence funding for the client, what assistance would be available to the poor manager facing the might of the HSE's lawyers?

And the same applies to any employee unless they have a TU to fight their corner.

RachelG89, if you are sufficiently at fault to be prosecuted as an individual, the company's EL insurer is not likely to be much interested. The company may well purchase a separate insurance arrangement covering the liabilities of Directors & Officers. It may be worth asking the question regarding your own protection.
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