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does anybody think iam mad to disagree with a contractor who is proposing to drill and extrect cavity insulation on ground and 1st floor in 4 in a block properties by ladder and then re-fill {this is to approx 40 properties} and then erect scaffold to re-render the same properties , i have argued that wah 2005 asks is there a safer way to carry out the work and all works should be done from scaffold but they argue industry guidlines for cavity work find this acceptable, this just doesnt sit well with me as i think it is all in the planning/programming of the works and the scaffold should bu used for all wah work, if i let this go and there was to be a fall from height and the hse looked at this we wouldn,t have a leg to stand on as the scaffold is a safer way to carry out the work and ladders are for short duration etc i also havent yet looked at the enviroment for ladder use but it just seems a bit backward to me and iam going down the route of insisting that scaffolds are used for all work, does anybody think iam wrong in taking this approach
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it certainly seems logical to erect a scaffold and then complete all the required works. ultimately this decision must be made off the back of a risk assessment, however in my opinion I would agree with you. there are of course alternatives to scaffolding but a ladder is never the safest option.
Are you the client of this contractor? simply over rule and enforce.
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If there's a scaffold going up anyway, simple logic dictates that the job be properly planned so that all WAH takes place from it. Your correct to put your foot down on this one.
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I believe I am correct on saying cavity wall insulation is normally done via a ladder due to holes being drilled at different heights and is supported by industry standards. The ladder must be secured with a strap and eye bolts, which is not so onerous because the 20mm holes can be used for cavity filling at the lower level. The operative should also wear a harness and karibiner if undertaking this type of work to ensure both hands are free, in effect giving three points of contact.
Why the contractor would want to erect a scaffold for rendering the drilled holes I am at a loss.
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Why don't you ask them to enter their work details into this http://www.hse.gov.uk/wo...eight/wait/wait-tool.htm and see what is suggested.
Thereafter I would suggest that you have given your advice and if they choose not to follow it then that will be for their management to take responsibility. Often the argument used 'we always did it this way for years', I'm sure we have all heard it.
Often it is seen as if we HSE Advisors are giving permission for the activity and its safety controls. We are giving advice and it's the management who give permission for the job and will take responsibility. Unless of course we offer poor advice and for which we are responsible.
Regards
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thanks for the input people, we are the client for the project but it is gov funded energy works, we are extracting and replacing cavity infill and the blocks are being completely re-rendered with replacement guttering , d/pipes, svp etc , and other enabeling works iam being pushed from above to meet targets and budget deadlines but iam unhappy at the manner of this and carrying out part of the works to follow on and scaffold for rendering just doesnt make sense to me, wah "is there a safer way of doing this", as i said to the contractor if there was a fall from a ladder and this was investigated i think the hse would prosecute under wah 2005,{ risk v cost cant come into it as there is no additional cost as the blocks are being scaffolded anyway} contractor also said it was industry practise and guidline to carry out from a ladder , industry guidance is only guidance and the only guidance i go by is hse guidance and acop but wah 2005 legislation taked over and that is our supreme guidance, iam going to stick to my guns with this one come what may and insist the scaffolds are used for all work. thank you all for your input
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Is this the so called industry guidance?
"Working at height in the retrofit CWI industry"
http://www.sig360retrofi...nloads/ciga_wh_gpgv1.pdf
Its first paragraph for LADDERS states that:-
The use of ladders has not been banned under the Work at Height Regulations, but careful consideration must be given to the ways in which they are used. Ladders should only be considered when the use of other access equipment has been discounted as inappropriate. When used, three points of contact must be maintained at all times.
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The local authority have recently completed the same work around here and the different contractors worked off scaffolding. To remove the previous cavity wall insulation they had to remove the odd brick before putting them back to pump in the new insulation. They also used the scaffolding because they needed to lift pipes etc to pump in the insulation from ground level. Must admit I did complain to the Site Foreman for the main contractor over other matters and identified unsafe practices that were taking place, became best mates when the local authority housing manager came out when I threatened to report them for unsafe work at heights.
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