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The quote below is from one of my Senior Managers -
Quote - Is there a definition of when a task begins to be deemed as ‘working at height’?
From what I can find it is when you physically are capable of falling from one floor level to another. Example: Working outside on a window that is at the equivalent of the first floor inside, and being able to fall all the way to the ground floor.
I think it would help to include something in the RA/Policy that highlights this so that the ‘myths’ do not start to get in the way, such as can’t use a ladder.
We already have a situation where no-one but maintenance is allowed to use a ladder as they are trained, even though this is not true within HSE. It does not take long for myths to become hard facts, so anywhere that we can include clear definitions would be really helpful when it comes to H&S". - Unquote
I believe this quote from one of my senior managers is totally wrong.
Anyone know of a definition, please? Indeed does the HSE have one?
Or is it like a lot of legislation, best practice, Code of Practice and procedures down to recommendation and interpretation?
Thanks
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Hi,
As I understand the best way to define working at Heights is thus:
Work at height means work in any place where, if there were no precautions in
place, a person could fall a distance liable to cause personal injury. For example
you are working at height if you:
■ are working on a ladder or a flat roof;
■ could fall through a fragile surface;
■ could fall into an opening in a floor or a hole in the ground.
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From the regulations
“work at height” means—
(a)work in any place, including a place at or below ground level;
(b)obtaining access to or egress from such place while at work, except by a staircase in a permanent workplace,
where, if measures required by these Regulations were not taken, a person could fall a distance liable to cause personal injury;
Therefore if you are stood on the ground working next to a hole/ pit / trench you are working at height
Chris
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Or stood on the bottom rung of a ladder, people have suffered serious injury falling from this height!
Pete,
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You shouldn't get hung up about this, if you'll pardon the expression. As has been said, working on the bottom step of a ladder can lead to serious injury in exceptional circumstances. However, with someone working at such a low height you wouldn't go to the lengths of applying collective fall protection such as a mobile scaffold with edge protection etc, whereas the other example of working next to a deep pit or trench at ground level, you may go to the lengths of providing edge protection. The key is, providing sensible controls to fit the situation.
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"in the olden days" we had a "2 metre rule" maybe your boss is unaware we have moved on since then.
It was removed because, as others have quite rightly noted even a few inches have resulted in serious injuries
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From
http://www.hse.gov.uk/wo.../faqs.htm#work-at-height
"What is 'work at height'?
Work at height means work in any place where, if precautions were not taken, a person could fall a distance liable to cause personal injury. You are working at height if you:
work above ground/floor level
could fall from an edge, through an opening or fragile surface or
could fall from ground level into an opening in a floor or a hole in the ground
Work at height does not include a slip or a trip on the level, as a fall from height has to involve a fall from one level to a lower level, nor does it include walking up and down a permanent staircase in a building."
People do stupid things with ladders.
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On that definition what about high heels and platform shoes!
You can injure yourself wearing these.
That’s tongue in cheek, but does make the point. There needs to be a reality check. Kick stools should be banned – not where I work. But I’ll bet they are in some places because of foolish ideas like this that suggest that ‘every single risk must be removed’.
I point you to Judith Hackett’s speech last month. Calling for proportionality in safety.
But it’s when the legal eagles get hold of it we need to fight back as do the insurance companies when people make speculative claims.
I guess in the end it’s about cost. So you pay the insurance on any claim. Then what’s the point in all the documentation when you don’t use it to defend yourself.
I’m not saying don’t do health and safety, I’m just saying if no one cares about my documentation when a claim is presented why do I go to the effort of maintaining a document chain no one cares about. Given it costs so much time, effort trouble and angst.
Been a bad day…
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You need to remember you do not have to be at work to be in danger from falling from height.
Members of the general public have to be protected as well.
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I explain it like this, if you can step up or step down that's a step anything higher is working at Height. That's not to be flippant, but a simple rationale.
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you can be working at height even if its miniscule if there is the risk to someone getting hurt, In the good old US of A work at height is 6ft as it used to be over here but now the UK and Europe its any height even at ground level if there is a chance of falling i.e into a trench, hole etc
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Just to add, it may be there but I haven't seen it in the messages above.
Working at height can also be below ground level,e.g. up a ladder in a cellar or similar.
Any where above the level that you are at where if you fall from it you may be injured
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Where there is the potential to fall from above and below
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Before we changed RIDDOR various research identified that >60% of major injury accidents involved falls of less than 2m which is why we this threshold was removed when the Work at Heights Regs were drafted
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