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strangy  
#1 Posted : 27 February 2016 12:38:24(UTC)
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strangy

Although is within CDM 2015 i wanted further in depth clarification of what this really means?

If anyone can give any further information other than what I already have from ECIA then this would be appreciated?

Ta.
bob youel  
#2 Posted : 29 February 2016 07:51:12(UTC)
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bob youel

tell us what U have already so as we can help
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 29 February 2016 10:37:11(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Scanning through: http://www.ecia.co.uk/pages/index.cfm?page_id=197

I note ecia statement: "Repair and maintenance projects can pose especially demanding CDM risk management challenges."

I wonder if the 'member only' guidance adds clarification?

HSE have previously issued clarification note that they do not expect CDM to apply to the more routine maintenance and repair activities carried out across FM and engineering sectors. That note was on HSE's CDM2007 pages (since deleted) and not so easy to find now. As far as I'm aware, HSE have not carried that clarification over to CDM 2015, where, all things being equal, it should also apply.
dazholl  
#4 Posted : 29 February 2016 12:09:28(UTC)
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dazholl

The Engineering Construction Industry Association (ECIA) sets out engineering construction work as "the design, construction and maintenance of process plant across the oil and gas, water, environmental, steel and metal, cement, glass, paper, brewing and distillation, food, power generation, nuclear waste processing, pharmaceutical production, petrochemical and chemical sectors"
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 29 February 2016 14:37:15(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

This from the old CDM2007 ACoP (L144)

Definitions: Construction work
13 Construction work is defined in the Regulations. The following are not construction work as defined:

(a) putting up and taking down marquees and similar tents designed to be
re-erected at various locations;

(b) general maintenance of fixed plant, except when this is done as part of other construction work, or it involves substantial dismantling or alteration of fixed plant which is large enough to be a structure in its own right, for example structural alteration of a large silo; complex chemical plant; power station generator or large boiler;

(c) tree planting and general horticultural work;

(d) positioning and removal of lightweight movable partitions, such as those used to divide open-plan offices or to create exhibition stands and displays;

(e) surveying – this includes taking levels, making measurements and examining a structure for faults;

(f) work to or on vessels such as ships and mobile offshore installations;

(g) off-site manufacture of items for later use in construction work (for example roof trusses, pre-cast concrete panels, bathroom pods and similar pre-fabricated elements and components);

(h) fabrication of elements which will form parts of offshore installations;

(i) the construction of fixed offshore oil and gas installations at the place where they will be used.

13(b) being of particular relevance. L153 doesn't include this qualification. However if the definition of what IS construction work hasn't changed, IMO fair to apply the above as not being construction work.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 29 February 2016 14:40:12(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

And this from HSE CDM FAQs:

Maintenance

Does CDM 2015 apply to all maintenance work?

No. The definition of construction work has not changed under CDM 2015. The application to maintenance work remains the same as it was under CDM 2007.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 29 February 2016 15:03:38(UTC)
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bob youel

Day to day civil and building [house bashing etc.] construction engineering works are different to engineering construction works even where they are on the same site e.g. putting in engineering pipe work recently where mechanical engineers & coded welders worked to thousands of a mm to line up & fit pressure flanges-welded joints and the civils worked to +/- 300m for the same pipes to allow them to enter cavities etc. thus same job but different ways of working and different risks

the above is a very crude example and is not ment to take away the science etc. from one area or another and each area must be seen in its own light for each job
chris42  
#8 Posted : 29 February 2016 15:52:20(UTC)
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chris42

bob youel wrote:
and the civils worked to +/- 300m for the same pipes


:0)

Sorry I know it is a typo, but made me giggle. Nice one
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