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Richard Whitehead  
#1 Posted : 01 March 2016 14:34:26(UTC)
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Richard Whitehead

We have been getting our operatives who need to wear RPE face fit tested. Obviously in accordance with fashion, a number have beards and cannot obtain a seal. I wanted to see if others had had the same experience and whether your companies had introduced 'a no facial hair' policy as we debated this at Board level without agreeing an outcome.
Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 01 March 2016 15:04:02(UTC)
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Roundtuit

With PPE as the last resort why do you want to make the operatives fit the equipment? Personal Protective Equipment should satisfy the identified control needs and fit the operative Pretty sure the legal whizz kids would have titled it "Devices for the Protection of Workers" regulations had the intention been to change the employee to suit a particular available device. Dependent upon your workforce demographic there may also be employment law problems from a clean shaven policy effectively barring certain religious and cultural beliefs
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 01 March 2016 15:04:02(UTC)
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Roundtuit

With PPE as the last resort why do you want to make the operatives fit the equipment? Personal Protective Equipment should satisfy the identified control needs and fit the operative Pretty sure the legal whizz kids would have titled it "Devices for the Protection of Workers" regulations had the intention been to change the employee to suit a particular available device. Dependent upon your workforce demographic there may also be employment law problems from a clean shaven policy effectively barring certain religious and cultural beliefs
WatsonD  
#4 Posted : 01 March 2016 15:05:47(UTC)
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WatsonD

I'm interested to hear more on this subject also. I know the regs state that you must be clean shaven to undertake the face-fit test, but as far as I know (and I confess I haven't looked too hard) there is nothing about maintaining a clean shave after this period - unless it is assumed, which wouldn't be right. In which case can site refuse entry to operatives with beards if their RAMS states they will need to wear RPE?
Kate  
#5 Posted : 01 March 2016 15:11:01(UTC)
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Kate

You will also find in the ACoP and in other guidance that it is necessary to be clean-shaven when wearing the RPE. Otherwise it is proven to be ineffective/unreliable. We resorted to buying powered respirators that don't require face fit. It was clear that it was either that or a clean-shaven policy which the organisation didn't want to implement.
walker  
#6 Posted : 01 March 2016 15:23:13(UTC)
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walker

This was discussed at length only a few weeks ago, have a look. Search is not good on this site but its quite recent we were taklking about it.
Winter28827  
#7 Posted : 01 March 2016 15:27:16(UTC)
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Winter28827

Ideally the risk to need to wear RPE should be designed out, however that is not always possible and some activities will remain where dust and fumes are identified hazards. Anyone being face fit tested needs to be cleanly shaven or the seal will not be effective, thereby increasing the risk of dust, fumes etc being inhaled, getting to their lungs and causing ill health. A moustache or small beard that can be accommodated inside the seal will have no effect on an individuals safety, so a 'no facial hair' policy seems a bit extreme. If an operative works in a role, location or trade where there is an identified risk they should be informed of the requirement to wear RPE and be face fit tested accordingly. If they have facial hair that could affect the seal they should be asked to shave, unless there are religious reasons for not shaving, in which case you can buy loose fitting hoods that have a positive air blower inside to prevent dust entering and being inhaled. These are expensive and therefore a considerable investment in the individual. Disposable RPE is the cheapest option most companies prefer. Provided it is correctly fitted and those wearing them understand the need to be clean shaved is to protect their health most people are happy to wear them. Those that don't want to / refuse to shave etc could be moved to a different role or project where there is no risk of dust/fume inhalation or be provided with the expensive hood type RPE. Some organizations may even go down the disciplinary route for refusing to follow fair safety instructions.
walker  
#8 Posted : 01 March 2016 15:32:52(UTC)
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walker

Kate wrote:
You will also find in the ACoP and in other guidance that it is necessary to be clean-shaven when wearing the RPE. Otherwise it is proven to be ineffective/unreliable. We resorted to buying powered respirators that don't require face fit. It was clear that it was either that or a clean-shaven policy which the organisation didn't want to implement.
I agree. Positive pressure RPE is usually cheaper in the long run and far less hassle
MarkG  
#9 Posted : 04 March 2016 14:47:51(UTC)
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MarkG

We have recently gone through a similar situation Anyone with a skin complaint or religious grounds for not being clean shaven has been provided with a positive pressure hood, anyone who chooses not be be clean shaven for no other reason than it being their choice have been given the option to purchase a positive pressure hood and we will contribute the equivalent cost of the original respirator. We have currently 6 operatives taking up this offer, no one as yet has refused to be clean shaven when using a respirator and refusing to take up the positive pressure hood option.
imponderabilius  
#10 Posted : 04 March 2016 15:19:16(UTC)
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imponderabilius

MarkG wrote:
We have recently gone through a similar situation Anyone with a skin complaint or religious grounds for not being clean shaven has been provided with a positive pressure hood, anyone who chooses not be be clean shaven for no other reason than it being their choice have been given the option to purchase a positive pressure hood and we will contribute the equivalent cost of the original respirator.
If someone wears a beard because they believe in a god, they deserve to receive company's support. If someone wears a beard but does not believe in any gods, they do not get the same support. I sometimes think the word "discrimination" has been redefined and I totally missed it.
Ali Sooltan  
#11 Posted : 07 March 2016 15:00:38(UTC)
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Ali Sooltan

I think you guys are looking at the Regs too closely and not thinking outside the box. Section 7 of Hasawa is clear about employees duties; to take care for their h&s and to co-operate with the employer. Under cosh 2002 the employee also needs to use control measures provided by the employer and under PPE Regs 1992 they also have to use the PPE provided. The list goes on.....Essentially whether it is dust suppression or PPE it is part of your "safe system of work", which the employee needs to follow. Problem is, Unions can and often do give conflicting advice to members.
MAT  
#12 Posted : 08 March 2016 12:58:12(UTC)
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MAT

Afternoon all, IMHO -For me in my workplace it is quite simple. After all sensible risk mitigation measures are implemented and there is still a residual risk, which now requires RPE(facefit tested if tight fitting half mask) the employees must wear. If they refuse to shave (and there is no medical reasons as to why they can't wear the tight fitting mask) then I can't ensure there safety, therefore they can't do the job. If there is no other job then line managers would look at employment issues. we do use a combination of power assisted(hoods) and halfmasks. At and of days we are trying to ensure their health and safety, not worry about the fashion impacts of a beard. Again IMHO. Rudd MAT
MAT  
#13 Posted : 08 March 2016 13:03:56(UTC)
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MAT

Ali Sooltan wrote:
I think you guys are looking at the Regs too closely and not thinking outside the box. Section 7 of Hasawa is clear about employees duties; to take care for their h&s and to co-operate with the employer. Under cosh 2002 the employee also needs to use control measures provided by the employer and under PPE Regs 1992 they also have to use the PPE provided. The list goes on.....Essentially whether it is dust suppression or PPE it is part of your "safe system of work", which the employee needs to follow. Problem is, Unions can and often do give conflicting advice to members.
Completely agree.
walker  
#14 Posted : 08 March 2016 15:37:26(UTC)
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walker

quote=imponderabilius] If someone wears a beard because they believe in a god, they deserve to receive company's support. If someone wears a beard but does not believe in any gods, they do not get the same support. I sometimes think the word "discrimination" has been redefined and I totally missed it.
I'm an atheist, thank god But I respect the sincerely held views of established religions.
Roundtuit  
#15 Posted : 09 March 2016 00:01:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

And the greatest feature of the human race is its unique individuals. One size never fits all perfectly. Beard or not certain face shapes will never fit a mass produced product so alternatives will always be needed Free Of Charge.
Roundtuit  
#16 Posted : 09 March 2016 00:01:26(UTC)
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Roundtuit

And the greatest feature of the human race is its unique individuals. One size never fits all perfectly. Beard or not certain face shapes will never fit a mass produced product so alternatives will always be needed Free Of Charge.
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