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Martin.  
#1 Posted : 22 March 2016 16:35:03(UTC)
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Martin.

Hi All,

I am new to the forum and looking for a bit of advice on PUWER and in particular on how to carry out a site survey to identify equipment in the workplace that would require PUWER assessment (conformity assessment). I would like to understand how to make a decision on which equipment would need a further assessment. This has come up in an audit and it refers to the PUWER regulations. I have found some PUWER assessment checklists that are inline with the current regulations but I'm just looking for a set of questions/points that need to be met which would allow me to identify the equipment first before carrying out an PUWER assessment.

Many Thanks
Ian Bell2  
#2 Posted : 22 March 2016 16:46:30(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

PUWER applies to just about every item of machinery/work equipment found in the work place.

Initially I would draw up an inventory list of equipment. Then make a 'rough and ready' initial assessment. Identifying obvious more hazardous equipment.

What is the nature of your company/organisation business?

There is no requirement under PUWER to specifically risk assess machinery, this requirement comes from Reg 3 of the Management of health and safety Regs.
Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 22 March 2016 17:03:38(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

What does that audit actually say?
Martin.  
#4 Posted : 23 March 2016 08:20:34(UTC)
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Martin.

Ian Bell2 wrote:
PUWER applies to just about every item of machinery/work equipment found in the work place.

Initially I would draw up an inventory list of equipment. Then make a 'rough and ready' initial assessment. Identifying obvious more hazardous equipment.

What is the nature of your company/organisation business?

There is no requirement under PUWER to specifically risk assess machinery, this requirement comes from Reg 3 of the Management of health and safety Regs.


Ian it's a Warehouse - distribution centre with pick/pack/ship operation using equipment like forklift trucks, picking trolleys, pallet wrap machine etc. The equipment is part of the process risk assessment but we don't have a equipment specific assessment at the moment.
Martin.  
#5 Posted : 23 March 2016 08:30:27(UTC)
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Martin.

Ron Hunter wrote:
What does that audit actually say?


It says that there was no evidence of assessment of equipment being used on site (as mentioned above pallet wrapper, trolleys..), especially that pre-dating PUWER and/or does not carry a CE mark. A site survey should be carried out to identify equipment requiring conformity assessment.
Jane Blunt  
#6 Posted : 23 March 2016 09:05:03(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I'm ready to be shot down in flames, but from what I can recall, CE marking is not retrospective. It only kicks in for new equipment or if you re-site equipment.

Compliance with PUWER is always needed.
Safety Smurf  
#7 Posted : 23 March 2016 09:59:33(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hi Martin.

Welcome to the forum. Just to help us understand what is driving this, can you tell us who instructed this audit? Was it internal or did it come from your insurers?
Martin.  
#8 Posted : 23 March 2016 10:58:25(UTC)
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Martin.

This is an external legal compliance audit required by our company to be done each year.
Ron Hunter  
#9 Posted : 23 March 2016 13:27:36(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I'm with Jane. Conformity assessment (essential safety requirements) is not retrospective provided the equipment stays where it is.

Something a bit iffy about that finding/recommendation.
Invictus  
#10 Posted : 23 March 2016 13:48:47(UTC)
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Invictus

Ron Hunter wrote:
I'm with Jane. Conformity assessment (essential safety requirements) is not retrospective provided the equipment stays where it is.

Something a bit iffy about that finding/recommendation.


Especially as it is required every year, this would mean that either the equipment is new or new to the workplace and requires the markings or it was carried out by a blind auditor previously, who had problems locating the equipment..
jay  
#11 Posted : 23 March 2016 14:08:20(UTC)
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jay

Can you pls expand upon the audit finding. Is the finding about PUWER Regulation 11 or about overall lack of PUWER linked risk assessments ?
JohnW  
#12 Posted : 23 March 2016 14:36:43(UTC)
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JohnW

Martin. wrote:
(the audit) says that there was no evidence of assessment of equipment being used on site (as mentioned above pallet wrapper, trolleys..), especially that pre-dating PUWER and/or does not carry a CE mark. A site survey should be carried out to identify equipment requiring conformity assessment.


Martin,

When I do PUWER assessments I have these questions relating to CE marking:

13.1 If the work equipment was manufactured after 31/12/1992, is it CE marked?
13.2 If the work equipment is significantly modified, is it CE marked?
13.3 If the work equipment was relocated to the EC, is it CE marked?
13.4 If the work equipment was manufactured in-house, is it CE marked?
13.5 If the work equipment is CE marked is it accompanied by an EC Declaration of Conformity?

So maybe the auditor is seeing some equipment that has no CE mark and is asking you to determine if its manufacture predates 1993, or if it is 'home-made', or there is old equipment which has been significantly modified, or some equipment has been imported from outside the EC.

In any of these cases your company can CE mark equipment themselves if they can assure themselves that the equipment complies with all relevant EC product supply law/directives, and write a Declaration of Conformity.

John
paul.skyrme  
#13 Posted : 23 March 2016 20:11:15(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Re-location of for example, pre MD, non CE marked equipment does not require it to be retrospectively CE marked, unless it is being placed on the market in the EU for the first time, e.g. importing used equipment from outside the EU which pre-dates the CE requirement.


CE marking is only required for equipment that falls under one of the directives that require it, MD, LVD, PED etc. for example.

CE marking is required for ALL equipment that falls under it's scope regardless of who makes it and who uses it, even if you design & build equipment for your own use.

As has been suggested all equipment, must, comply with PUWER.

JohnW, the "person" signing the DoC would also need to be able to generate a technical file, not easy if you're not the OEM, unless, you reverse engineer the equipment.
Which you might not be able to do retrospectively after CE marking the machine IYKWIM.

If you as an end user are going to CE mark equipment then you really need to generate the TF as part of the process.

Martin.
Go around and look at the machinery, it will ALL need assessing in some way or form.
Take the highest risk, equipment, such as that which can cause death, and look at the user exposure etc., and then do a full assessment on that first, as you go you will get quicker, and you will begin to see what is important, that way you can then more easily identify what does and what does not need a full assessment.
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