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NEBOSH DIPLOMA IS THE ROLEX.
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Flashy, overblown, ostentatious and pricey, yet ultimately no better than many other timepieces available on the market of primary function?
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Knowledge, skill and experience everytime in my book, the qualification is only the first step.
Pete,
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I'd hire someone with a level 3 if they have the right skills, knowledge and experience.
Experience is more important to me than any qualification.
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I am a Tudor Black Bay man myself in Red rather than Black or Blue
Had I been able to afford £6050 for a timepiece I would have bought a Rolex Hulk 116610LV, the green face and bezel takes some beating it’s a beautiful work of art
Yep I got the NVQ5 of the timepiece world, but still very happy compared to the man with the Seiko certificate
Qualification wise I spent the savings, I made buying the Tudor towards my NEBOSH Diploma.
However the man with the NVQ was able to buy the Rolex Hulk as he got an equivalent qualification for less money and headache.
Also if i had the choice now between the diploma and the Rolex Hulk. It would be the Hulk anyday as everyone has a Diploma the UK is awash with Diploma holders its getting so common the goal posts will need to change to BSc H&S. But not everyone has a Rolex in Green
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I have a £30 Avia watch. I have had it for many years. It keeps near perfect time. I only have to adjust it to get the seconds back to spot on when we change to or from summer time. What more do I need?
I don't have the NEBOSH Diploma or any of the other health and safety qualifications. None are really relevant in the particular specialist area in which I operate.
Chris
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Currently wearing one of the 6 for $50 timepieces I bought on my last holiday. It tells me the time and when it packs in I'll replace the battery with one from the 12 for £6 pack.
I only use my (fake) Constantin Vacheron and Glasshutte to impress the gullible.
Back when I did my Diploma I was probably using a sundial!
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HSE Chris Wright wrote:I'd hire someone with a level 3 if they have the right skills, knowledge and experience.
Experience is more important to me than any qualification.
Chris
I think you do not have NEBOSH diploma, thats why you talking like that....Competency is a blend of every things and NEBOSH diploma is a part of knowledge and is a core knowledge, i am also from oil and gas background and i knew that some of the syllabusses is not match with the industry , but i will hire someone with NEBOSH Diploma where other criteria are existed as well...
Rolex or NEBOSH diploma ? I knew alot of people has NEBOSH diploma now , but you can not buy it can you ? you have to earn it and you may open some doors, but i can buy Rolex whenever i have money
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well this post made me giggle! I in fact hold both the diploma and the NVQ through personal choice, you make an assumption based on the fact I make my employment of someone based on multiple levels instead of a NEBOSH diploma which someone can achieve in 3 weeks at college.
Before you doubt my competence please note i have been CMIOSH since i was 26, I manage some of the largest power construction projects in the UK and act as director of safety for south america for the a European company and employ 30 safety operatives across the world.
SHV wrote:HSE Chris Wright wrote:I'd hire someone with a level 3 if they have the right skills, knowledge and experience.
Experience is more important to me than any qualification.
Chris
I think you do not have NEBOSH diploma, thats why you talking like that....Competency is a blend of every things and NEBOSH diploma is a part of knowledge and is a core knowledge, i am also from oil and gas background and i knew that some of the syllabusses is not match with the industry , but i will hire someone with NEBOSH Diploma where other criteria are existed as well...
Rolex or NEBOSH diploma ? I knew alot of people has NEBOSH diploma now , but you can not buy it can you ? you have to earn it and you may open some doors, but i can buy Rolex whenever i have money
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Chiris, WOOW i was impressed by your competency level...
Would you tell me where people could get NEBOSH diploma in 3 weeks , so i can recommend to the people who are looking for fast track !
I think 7 or 8 years ago someone mentioned in this forum that they could get NVQ in a 6 months by one course provider which caused IOSH became vigilant and wanted to follow up the case ...
SHV
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firstly its Chris.
http://www.rrc.co.uk/neb...sh-national-diploma.aspx - 7 weeks sorry, point is still valid.
All I am stating is your qualification achieved is simply a starting block and I don't disregard people because they don't have a NEBOSH diploma. I know people whom still work off a general certificate and are perfectly competent.
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Skill, knowledge, training, experience....... get as many variants and as much as you like but none of it means a jot without the right attitude - SKATE.
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Victor Meldrew wrote:Skill, knowledge, training, experience....... get as many variants and as much as you like but none of it means a jot without the right attitude - SKATE.
Spot on Vic.
I only wish people would recognise the safety job for what it is - just another means of earning a living. We are no better than highly paid administrators with a little knowledge and power - often wielded wrongly.
Why is it that a huge amount of safety bods are full of their own importance?
A few more years to do and by jolly I'll be glad to be away from it.
Jon
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Victor Meldrew wrote:Skill, knowledge, training, experience....... get as many variants and as much as you like but none of it means a jot without the right attitude - SKATE.
SKATE - I like that never heard it before except when walking through Portsmouth (google it).
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I gather they work for NEBOSH. Not even a clever way to advertise. The sad reality is that there are people out there who actually believe it!
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What a dismal thread. As if this hasn't been debated enough. A qualification is a qualification - horses for courses.
If your not happy with what you've got go and do something about it. If you think you're happy with what you got then turn the green eyed monster off.
An employer generally sets a criteria for a role. If you are applying and you meet that criteria so be it, if you don't and it's your dream job - again go and do something about it.
Too many egos not focusing on the right things me thinks.
Pointless discussion that doesn't happen in other professions.
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osprey7 wrote:What a dismal thread. As if this hasn't been debated enough. A qualification is a qualification - horses for courses.
If your not happy with what you've got go and do something about it. If you think you're happy with what you got then turn the green eyed monster off.
An employer generally sets a criteria for a role. If you are applying and you meet that criteria so be it, if you don't and it's your dream job - again go and do something about it.
Too many egos not focusing on the right things me thinks.
Pointless discussion that doesn't happen in other professions.
Could not agree more. Indeed, the OP is either a troll, advertiser or a muppet.
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I thought we might be feeding a troll, but his other posts seem reasonable
Do you think it was a typo and he meant the dog's rolex
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I only wish people would recognise the safety job for what it is - just another means of earning a living. We are no better than highly paid administrators with a little knowledge and power - often wielded wrongly.
Why is it that a huge amount of safety bods are full of their own importance?
A few more years to do and by jolly I'll be glad to be away from it.
Jon
Nice 1 Jon - yes agree, just a job for me, never felt like that it was some kind of a 'calling' or similar. Fortunate era to be involved TBH.
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walker wrote:I thought we might be feeding a troll, but his other posts seem reasonable
Do you think it was a typo and he meant the dog's rolex
Agree. Certainly a very strange original post.
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Completely agree - it's a job. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy it but I can definitely assure you that if I didn't have to work then I wouldn't and if something else paid more then I'd be off.
I like it, I'm good at it, but essentially it pays for my holidays which I like an awful lot more.
As for the NEBOSH Diploma - guy's on a different planet. The days of the NEBOSH Diploma being the only way are in the dim and distant past. Granted, it used to be "the only way" and then some bright spark invented NVQs and then, heaven forbid, degrees and masters in the subject and now the Diploma is simply another method of proving that knowledge has been attained. However, it doesn't prove competence so it merely part of what is required - like a Rolex without the mechanism if you like.
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If my Lottery numbers came up or as a minimum my mortgage was paid off and I then had a modest income - I would be off.
Safety is a job, not a calling
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My mortgage was paid off a long time ago so I can afford to work part-time. Still in H&S.
..... still in H&S, yes, but as a consultant. It's actually good fun much of the time :o) but I suppose a consultant has less responsibility than an H&S manager, as the H&S manager has to get the things done.
I can understand younger folk here can struggle to get work that they enjoy, and that it can be difficult to do something about an unhappy employment - can't say I was 'happy' working over 25 years in industry with high stress (automotive industry).
JohnW
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Does this mean that Rolex is the Nebosh Diploma of watches?
Personally I think the Nebosh Diploma is more like Nokia or Microsoft - Used to be the standard that everyone looked to; which now finds itself in a field where competitors are stealing its thunder; and it is in real danger of becoming considered somewhat dated.
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Is there some special reason of late that NEBOSH Diploma achievers are being slated ? There has been a number of threads recently that have been doing this.
Should I now be ashamed that I managed to achieve this level of training ?
I always thought that not only the level of the training, but the shear effort and commitment you had to demonstrate would also be worth something.
The 7 week thing is just the tutored parts of the course, the majority of the work is done in your own time and the whole thing often takes around 18 months (is my understanding)
I'll go and hide in the naughty corner now.
Chris
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chris42 wrote:Is there some special reason of late that NEBOSH Diploma achievers are being slated ? There has been a number of threads recently that have been doing this.
I think there has been just some reaction to Dip folks who slate Gen Cert folks?
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Or people starting a thread throwing a hand grenade and then not coming back...
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NEBOSH is the most "widely known" Diploma Level qualification simply because it was the first in UK and in terms of numbers probably leads compared to other qualifications due to the extensive training delivery providers, not only in UK, but internationally in the Commonwealth countries and the Gulf region. It would be useful if IOSH publishes the numbers for entry to GradIOSH.
It is a pity that even recruitment agencies do not advise the client to include NEBOSH Diploma or Equivalent qualifications.
NEBOSH AND other qualifications provide the comprehensive under-pinning knowledge for a Health & Safety Practitioner, but in some industries, it is likely that the professional Engineering/Science Discipline Degree that is fundamental for the role--e.g. Nuclear, Chemical, Oil & Gas--i.e. where in GB we have the regulatory permissioning/safety case regimes.
A health competition may bring down costs that many find on the high end of the scale, especially when IT can be a driver for delivering courses and examining online--and at the learners pace!
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"Is there some special reason of late that NEBOSH Diploma achievers are being slated ? There has been a number of threads recently that have been doing this."
I'd say it's a reaction to the snobbery commonly expressed on this forum by some NEBOSH diploma holders against any other type of qualification - you know the sort of thing "NVQ - not very qualified etc etc". This is not anything new however. I remember when I was studying for my diploma back in 2005, the first year that the new style diploma was available. The local college was running 2 courses, the new diploma and part 2 of the old diploma. Whenever we met those studying part 2 the comments from them were always the same. "Of course you aren't taking a real diploma, it only takes a year to do yours"
There has always been this type of snobbery when comparing qualifications, it's just that our "profession" seems to be more prone to it than most.
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In my experience it very much depends on the recruitment process. When as an employee, me or my department requested applications from individuals with NEBOSH Cert/Dip - role dependent. However, when I became a consultant the 'hiring' was in the main managed by company Directors - my MSc every time. In fact on a few jobs I quoted for, MSc was requested. No one size fits all I guess.
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pl53 wrote:
There has always been this type of snobbery when comparing qualifications, it's just that our "profession" seems to be more prone to it than most.
Is it? I don't know whether that's true but if it is, why?
The Cleese, Barker & Corbett sketch was first aired well before our profession was invented and was a reflection of societal attitudes which still exist to some extent today.
Of course as a Consultant with vast experience I look down on you all.
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David Bannister wrote:
Of course as a Consultant with vast experience I look down on you all.
I am a safety adviser. I know my place.
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JohnW wrote:David Bannister wrote:
Of course as a Consultant with vast experience I look down on you all.
I am a safety adviser. I know my place.
That is so funny.
The sketch was on the TV the other week. Brilliant.
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I am old enough and still have memory of seeing that live on black and white TV, on the David Frost programme :o) I think I was about 13 at the time.
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Its become a boring argument now and I guess to the more experienced safety managers on here, we know its means nothing in real terms.
but my 2 bobs worth experience every time by a country mile. Not interested in the journey taken - can you do the job.
in the most I guess the argument is one-upmanship in newly qualified persons - longevity in this game tells us it mean nothing and there are far more important matters.
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This is not specific to H&S there has always been a snobbery over academic quals vs vocational qualifications.
At the end of the day any qualification is just a starting point. And the choice of which is down to the individual
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So me having a M.Eng. Environmental Engineering and a M.Sc. in HSE makes me a Patek Philippe? Still, I know that my mechanism needs a lot of work.
Something that most people miss to mention is that education, apart from certain skill set and knowledge, provide other certain soft skills. Do you think that someone who has spent a considerable amount of years in education is easier to adopt changes, learn new things and go with the flow or someone who has very little education and just happened to get the job because he has been in the business for quite a long time? To my knowledge, we live in the era of the first.
Like it or not, in our times the speed of evolution and changes far outmatches the speed of learning. In any field, education or hands on experience. Something that you learned today might not be useful tomorrow. The 20+ years of experience will most likely not be applicable in today's trends and learning. On the same note, having a degree might lead to nowhere really really fast.
The issue is not having a degree or not, having a lot of experience or not. It's the immense pace causing the gap to increase dramatically between the two.
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I don't know why we rise to it, I am normally first but does it matter in the grand scheme of things as long as you know you are a competent professional pratitioner that all that matters.
But is it Diploma or NVQ only one way to sort, Fightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
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Invictus wrote:I don't know why we rise to it, I am normally first but does it matter in the grand scheme of things as long as you know you are a competent professional pratitioner that all that matters.
But is it Diploma or NVQ only one way to sort, Fightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
This is gonna be a bloody one with no clear winner !
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Mr Curious wrote:Invictus wrote:I don't know why we rise to it, I am normally first but does it matter in the grand scheme of things as long as you know you are a competent professional pratitioner that all that matters.
But is it Diploma or NVQ only one way to sort, Fightttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
This is gonna be a bloody one with no clear winner !
Not to sure about that with the NVQ being tops!!
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