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CEGraham  
#1 Posted : 15 March 2016 09:30:40(UTC)
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CEGraham

Hi I am looking to start up as health and safety consultant and wondered if anyone could give me any tips/suggestions in terms of raising my profile. I have listed on the OHSCR and created a website.
SNS  
#2 Posted : 15 March 2016 09:49:41(UTC)
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SNS

Hi Caroline, Just googled your name, unfortunately you share it with the Inspector Barnaby author so unless searching for Caroline Graham Health and Safety you don't appear on the first few pages. On the people per hour site your rate is £10 per hour, at that I could employ you to do what I am asked to do, pay you from my rate and spend more tiome playing golf, I think that you are underselling yourself in that arena. Linked in should make you more visible, maybe update your entry with'available for consulting'. There is a visible gap in your timeline on Linked in, 2012 to 2015. In general when looking at histories gaps get noticed and open up questions. Do you have a USP (Unique Selling Point), something that is a niche or reare skill? With your web site there are techniques available that would raise it on the search engines - I don't know enough about that but again, google may help, or a friendly IT wizard. Put your website address up on here for people to see and maybe comment constructively on it. Hope that helps, Kind Regards, S
CEGraham  
#3 Posted : 15 March 2016 09:57:44(UTC)
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CEGraham

Thanks for your feedback.
simon73  
#4 Posted : 15 March 2016 11:04:37(UTC)
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simon73

Hi Caroline, I would certainly increase your £10 per hour advertised rate. This might suggest that you would be happy to travel to a site, advise them for an hour, maybe write/review documents with the authority that CMIOSH and 10 years experience gives you, all for less than they will pay their window cleaner! You could maybe look at networking events such as the 'breakfast clubs' that are very popular right now which encourage recommendations to customers from fellow members. You will also be networking with the decision makers who may also require your advice and guidance. Good luck
Ian Bell2  
#5 Posted : 15 March 2016 13:59:16(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

My goodness - is that what h&s consultancy is considered to be worth - £10/hr. That is simply not commercially viable. Even assuming every working hour in a year was chargeable (assume 47wks/yr and 40hr per week = 1880hrs) The company turnover would be £18800 - less business tax approx 22%, insurances etc would give a Gross salary probably in the region £13k. Try getting your car serviced for £10/hr! I would suggest the going rate is more like £45-50hr looking at current contract rates for guaranteed full time hours. If you search the forum I think you will find that the general consensus is that OSCHR is a waste of time and generates very little business for consultants. It has been discussed quite a few times.
SBH  
#6 Posted : 15 March 2016 14:50:17(UTC)
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SBH

Quite right on the costings. I had a plumber in my house last week for 2 hours - at a cost of £60 per hour. Cheap work makes you look inexperienced and unprofessional. Up your rate otherwise you will soon be looking for other work. SBH
JohnW  
#7 Posted : 21 March 2016 11:55:56(UTC)
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JohnW

Caroline, yes take on the advice above re charge rates, maybe for start up £40/hr for local businesses with no additional charge for travel. Remember that rate is to help pay for time you spend at home writing reports and researching. Is your website compiled so that keywords are searchable? With your business address on the main page etc. Try google your 'home town + safety consultant' to see if it appears on page 1 (might not if your site is new). DO NOT pay for a Google account at £250 per month, don't need it. I have never paid google anything and my site always comes up on page 1 search, and on the little map e.g. google 'Coventry safety consultant' and you'll see me there (Wright). 34 out of 36 customers have found me over the last 9 years, (and I have turned away work as some building contractors are time-wasters).
JohnW  
#8 Posted : 21 March 2016 12:03:11(UTC)
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JohnW

That should say '34 out of 36 customers have found me THROUGH THE WEBSITE/INTERNET over the last 9 years'
peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 22 March 2016 13:11:09(UTC)
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peter gotch

Caroline I've not looked at your website but I can almost guarantee that you've filled less than half the home page. Think about all the key words that people would google when looking for a service, then add these words in the same colour as the webpage. We then can still see a nice clean page, but what we can't see is that it's says COSHH, LOLER, method statement, investigation, policy, procedures etc etc etc - i.e. the words that are filling up the page which would look like a complete mess if these words were not invisible. Good luck!
DHM  
#10 Posted : 05 April 2016 16:28:23(UTC)
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DHM

Hi Caroline I work for a consultancy and we charge £75 per hour or £500 per day! You need to seriously re-consider your fees.
JohnW  
#11 Posted : 06 April 2016 09:53:02(UTC)
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JohnW

A consultancy group needs to charge £75 per hour? Silly money but I expect you have lots of overheads like accountants, IT person, training materials, and lease company cars. If I put that rate on my webpage then I would have no business. My main customer, who gives me regular weekly work, 1 or 2 days a week, I charge just £36 an hour. If I had wanted even £50 I would not have got their business. Over a period of seven years they alone have earned me over £150,000. On their site they give me a desk, computer and training facilities, I have no overheads with them just 8 miles a day in the car. So, a lower hourly rate has its benefits.
Zyggy  
#12 Posted : 06 April 2016 12:52:23(UTC)
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Zyggy

I have been working as a consultant for just over 4 years & have a slightly different approach to what fees I charge, basing the amount on what the organisation wants me to do for them & the nature of the business. At the moment, this "sliding scale" goes from expert witness work to carrying out some work for a Hospice & a number of variations between the two! I also factor in if the work will be regular, & if so, reduce the amount accordingly. I am not saying that my approach is right, but it seems to work for me!
JohnW  
#13 Posted : 06 April 2016 13:52:37(UTC)
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JohnW

Zyggy, Yes that is really what I do too. The loyal customer I mentioned just above appreciate the variety of work that I do for them and provide me with all the facilities I need. I probably don't need to go on their site 2 days every week but they are happy for me to do, and there is always work I can do. If there's a lull in activity I make myself useful by doing some of the H&S admin work which the operations manager appreciates, so we are all happy, and for such a loyal customer I wouldn't dream of saying I now want £50 an hour. Another customer expects me to visit different sites to do inspections, so my mileage on a day might be 100 miles or 200 miles, the time I spend working and travelling might be 4 hours, 6 hours, 8 hours. As I can't do work for any other customer on one of those days, they appreciated my suggestion of a single day rate, whatever I did in a day for them. So, no hourly rate, no mileage/fuel calculation, just a flat day rate. My only expense is fuel and buying my lunch. I do one day a week with that customer, he's happy and it's very profitable for me. Over the years that has been >£10,000 a year earned with them. So, in both cases the customer has appreciated negotiating a payment rate, rather than just me saying it's £40 an hour. I do quote a rate on my website but make it clear there would be negotiation. As for consultancy groups charging £75, well maybe they get business with top companies who might think I am rubbish if my rates are much lower. JohnW
Ian Bell2  
#14 Posted : 06 April 2016 13:57:38(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

If IOSH consider safety to be a profession akin to accountants, solicitors etc then try getting their services for £36/hr or even £75/hr. Most consultancies I know who who truly developed beyond 'a one man band' level charge full commercial rates of anything between £600-1000 day. Reason - for profit, more overheads. As others have said allowance can be made for the amount/certainty of work that a particular client might offer - but to only work for minimal profit similar to a PAYE salary is a personal choice. The secret is finding high value industrial sectors/customers.You are never going to make a vast profit working for SMEs e.g. small workshops, garages etc
JohnW  
#15 Posted : 06 April 2016 14:40:46(UTC)
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JohnW

Ian, Yes I can see consultancy groups have to find high value industrial sectors/customers so that each consultant can earn the company £500+ a day. But out of that the consultant may get less than £200 (£1000 a week) of that as a salary, because there are overheads to pay and the managing director wants to earn £2000 a week for sitting in his office. The original poster of this thread, though, is a one-man (one -woman) band hence the advice and income rates I and others are talking about apply to her circumstances. For me if I earn say £35k a year after expenses and after paying my tax I'm still going to clear about £25k a year as after-tax profit. OK I'm fortunate as we have no mortgage, our kids have left home and I do have other income, but for a young aspiring H&S person clearing a profit of £25k is good income, where I live anyway. JohnW
Ian Bell2  
#16 Posted : 06 April 2016 15:57:14(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Fair enough, if you are happy with that level of income. Personally I'll stay as a safety engineer, much, much better salary - PAYE or self employed. At least double and when oil prices are good more than that. You/we go to work for 1 reason - its not a charity.
andybz  
#17 Posted : 06 April 2016 16:22:18(UTC)
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andybz

I think things would be much clearer if there was a differentiation between consultant and 'freelance safety advisor.' It's not going to happen, but it explains why rates can vary so much. Both are very worthwhile services, but are a different offering to the client. If you turn up to a company premises for 2 days a week and do what is required, you are not (in my opinion) providing a consultancy service. The way I would differentiate is what your advice is based on. If there are clearly defined regulations, guidance and good practices you are advising the client which apply and what they need to do. Hence you are an advisor (in-house or freelance) using your knowledge of the regulations etc. If there is nothing so clear, you need to determine the best course of action for the client essentially from 'first principles.' You are then working as a consultant and providing your professional opinion. Good examples of this are work under COMAH or Offshore Safety Cases. I believe any consultant needs to be charging at least £500 per day to have a viable business. This is because for true consultancy work you are very lucky if you can achieve more than 50% utilisation. Bear in mind that you need to provide your professional opinion, which means you will need a high level of competence and integrity.
JohnW  
#18 Posted : 06 April 2016 16:52:26(UTC)
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JohnW

andybz, A very good point there. And yes from your descriptions I am essentially a safety adviser; doing risk assessment reviews with supervisors/operators, risk assessing new processes, process COSHH assessments, reviewing policies, investigating accidents and near misses, providing refresher training in work at height/LOLER/PUWER, inspecting/auditing work gangs (e.g. streets) etc etc. Other than risk assessing some new processes built by engineers, I am not working with customers from 'first principles' (although I sometimes walk into factories who have no safety policy, no risk assessments, no modern equipment). As for utilisation, mine is usually 60% because I like to have Mondays and Fridays off :o)
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