Can those with an NVQ or Tech Iosh grade rightly call themselves "professionals" and or "practitioners".

Where has this nonsense come from?

Jon

Comes from here
https://www.nebosh.org.uk/qualifications/
in that
NEBOSH’s Certificate-level qualifications provide an excellent foundation in health and safety for managers, supervisors and people starting out on a career in health and safety.
NEBOSH’s Diplomas are professional qualifications for health, safety and environmental practitioners.

and

You might like also to research the outcome of the Sainsbury case where the judge stated that they did not have competent H&S advice. The advisor had the cert but the judge said the site risks were beyond her competence - and that was just a warehouse.

Sainsbury case, they were fine nearly half a million pounds

This is what IOSH CEO said about it in 1999: IOSH chief executive, John Barrell explained:
'This was a unit which employed around 700 people and which was using 46 reach trucks at the time of the accident, but the person appointed possessed only a National Examination Board in Occupational Health and Safety (NEBOSH) Certificate - a qualification which provides an adequate base for people with only a part-time responsibility for health and safety.'
IOSH does not recognise the NEBOSH Certificate as sufficient qualification for people employed in a primary health and safety role, and no longer offers associate membership to the institution to those holding the certificate. A new membership grade - Technician Safety Practitioner (TechSP) was introduced last year which places more emphasis on experience.

So reading into this a cert holder is NOT classed as a professional, taking into account what IOSH,NEBOSH and the result of the case say

John M , I cant decide if you are deliberately trying to wind people up or believe what you say.As a very recent TechIOSH level member I take great exception to some of your assertions. I work in a full time H/S role which I gained on the back of a general cert. This GC was achieved after years working on a top tier COMAH site where I was involved in H/S asa Union appointed safety rep , Supervisor and Manager my company funded the GC . I then left and took on this role as a person highly experienced in the nuts and bolts of health and safety with TechIOSH membership status.I have made many improvements in my company not through having a diploma but my long practical experience with extra knowledge from union safety training , in house and the Nebosh cert.To say I offered little benefit or experience with my GC is an insult and shows breathtakong arrogance and/or stupidity on your part and is disrepectful to the many very knowledgeable GC holders out there.You should be ashamed !!!

"Can those with an NVQ or Tech Iosh grade rightly call themselves "professionals" and or "practitioners".

Where has this nonsense come from?

Jon"

A very generalised statement encompassing all NVQ holders and Tech Iosh grades,
I think you should re-read your posts!!

Many TechIOSH like myself gained that status through having NGC and having a science degree. Qualified professional.

Stonecold ,like you I started my present role with just the GC M,my employers also funded me through the Fire and Environmental certs.Unlike you my employers did not fund the diploma which I did myself I'm proud now to be GradIOSH working towards Chartered status but still shake my head when people assert you can only be a practitioner with at least diploma level qualifications .GC with no experience then I would agree.GC and years of experience in practical H/S I would disagree.
I work with people who are not diploma qualified but are very competent indeed !!!

Practitioner - a person actively engaged in an art, discipline or profession.

Practitioner - someone involved in a skilled job or activity.

Only Wikipedia promotes the concept of qualification.

Complete and utter rubbish!

There is some rubbish written here, the high and mighty Diploma gang, some people wouldn't know professionalism if it kicked them in the face.

So if I hold a diploma but don't want to join IOSH then I am not a professional. It doesn't bother me what level people have achieved because even those who have CMIOSH aren't always competent and I've met few.

Infact I am not so sure anyone needs a qualification to do H&S the ability to read and interpret what is written is all that is required.

You can go and complete the diploma without any experience and then get the experience as you go along.

So why respond!

Invictus -

"There is some rubbish written here, the high and mighty Diploma gang, some people wouldn't know professionalism if it kicked them in the face."

Having joined this gang in February after much hard work combined with years of practical experience I don't feel high and mighty, if you read my posts we have the same view other than I am in any way high and mighty :-)