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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 12 April 2016 13:47:22(UTC)
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firesafety101

If you were interviewing a candidate for a CDM Consultant position what questions would you ask.

The aim would be to find out how much they know about the Regs. and how they can help a Principal Designer fulfil their requirements and responsibilities.

Thanks
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 12 April 2016 13:57:07(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Are you looking for someone on the forum to give you a a list of competences that might be required of a CDM consultant as oppose to generic questions that might be asked at any job interview ?
Rus1969  
#3 Posted : 12 April 2016 14:01:30(UTC)
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Rus1969

I would ask him about the new F10 Notification criteria, when a PD can leave his role and who would take over his repsonsibilities. Do Term Maintenance projects fall under CDM. Who has to be appointed in writing and what happens if they are not appointed in writing. Could there be 2 PC's on a project (and if answer is correct who is appointed and how) Does CDM 2015 require the PD to be part of the Design Team. Can a Client carry out the PD role.
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 12 April 2016 14:01:58(UTC)
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firesafety101

Its questions to ask at an interview as a way of learning about the insividual's suitability.

Competence is not in doubt.
Rus1969  
#5 Posted : 12 April 2016 14:07:08(UTC)
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Rus1969

Also what would you do if a designer fails to produce a Design Risk Assessment or give you a design that has a foreseeable risk. Has he/she completed any of the APS online exams and passed! And what are you views on the APS.
firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 12 April 2016 14:07:25(UTC)
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firesafety101

Rus1969 wrote:
I would ask him about the new F10 Notification criteria, when a PD can leave his role and who would take over his repsonsibilities. Do Term Maintenance projects fall under CDM. Who has to be appointed in writing and what happens if they are not appointed in writing. Could there be 2 PC's on a project (and if answer is correct who is appointed and how) Does CDM 2015 require the PD to be part of the Design Team. Can a Client carry out the PD role.


Thanks Rus, plenty of food for thought there.

Should help sort the wheat from the chaff.
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 12 April 2016 14:22:54(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

in this context competences are the requirements for a particular post ( a lot of job interviews are nowadays done like this): you have a set of criteria and ask the interviewee how they fulfil them(they must give examples). In this way you have a set of standard questions which you can ask all of the candidates.
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 12 April 2016 15:00:46(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

The concept of "Designer Risk Assessment" was discredited many years ago, including by HSE.
Notification is a CDM Client function.

Turning this question around a bit, why does this employer feel a need for consultancy support in this area?
If his own designers have or perceive an uncertainty in fulfilling this or PD role, then the competent consultant should at best have a short-term brief to build that competency within your design house.

No disrespect to the ex CDM-Cs out there, but CDM 2015 does not afford them a specific role. Bringing in external support can mean paying through the nose for what is essentially administrative support (i.e. fetching and carrying information, building a H&S File) whilst having little influence on mitigation of risk associated with the design, or building competence and confidence within your own design team.

Again: Why do you want to employ this person?
achrn  
#9 Posted : 12 April 2016 15:15:51(UTC)
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achrn

Rus1969 wrote:
Also what would you do if a designer fails to produce a Design Risk Assessment


As Ron notes, teh correct answer is probably to observe that there's no requirement for a designer to produce design risk assessments. Maybe that was Rus1969's point.

It used to be on an HSE page - "The consideration of hazard and risk is integrated within the design process, so there is no need to carry out a separate ’design risk assessment’" but sadly that's been lost in the CDM2015 revamp.

It lives on in odd documents, eg www.hse.gov.uk/construction/cdm/session4.ppt slide 15 - "Design risk assessments (DRAs) are seen by many as unhelpful and should be discouraged"


Ian Bell2  
#10 Posted : 12 April 2016 15:25:21(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Personally I've always found the CDM regs (in whatever format) to be very wooley and vague.

The whole range of design and construction activities, not to mention the various commercial ways that construction projects can be arranged/managed are so wide and diverse that its difficult to see how CDM will ever be anything but vague.

I think within HASAWA and the Management regs contain enough powers/requirements for the HSE to take action in the event of an accident etc
peterL  
#11 Posted : 12 April 2016 15:34:38(UTC)
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peterL

Another set of regs consigned by we professionals to the grave then, the last one (as I remember) for the chop on this forum was the DSE regs, seems to be those that use acronyms are the first to go!

Pete,
bob youel  
#12 Posted : 12 April 2016 17:39:50(UTC)
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bob youel

with all due respect I would get in a competent H&S bod to sit in on the interview as the lead person re CDM as it appears that those interviewing may not be competent in this area

in my view the regs themselves do not really count as its proper management from begining to end so no site problems exist thats needed & not a paper exercise as CDM tends to be that counts and proper management is rare
firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 13 April 2016 11:18:00(UTC)
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firesafety101

For information.

The PD has been Designer for a number of clients for many Years.

They have used external consultants for the Planning Supervisor and CDM Coordinator roles in the past and now wish to bring the work in house.

There is enough work to keep somebody busy full time and this will create a position within the company.

I did the work as external until I retired 16 months ago so I do know what I was doing.

Question: why do everyone think a designer can suddenly become competent at the requirements of PD in CDM 2015 when they have not done that particular type of work in the past.

I know there is no such position as CDM Consultant but that is a title people use when doing that work.

They could go on training courses and join the APS but that takes time and money, so they may as well appoint someone to the position.

I am assiting with the recruitment but not an expert with interviews and that is why I asked the question about questions.

Thanks for all the replies, positive and not so, they are all useful.
IanDakin  
#14 Posted : 13 April 2016 11:38:40(UTC)
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IanDakin

Maybe you could ask
"What do you know about the CDM 2015 Regs and what do you think the key points are?

"How do you think you can help a Principal Designer fulfill their role?"
Ron Hunter  
#15 Posted : 13 April 2016 12:44:36(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Did those previous PS and CDM-C appointments help achieve compliance with Designer Duties I wonder.

Anyhow. The obvious question would be: "please provide me with examples of how your contribution at Project design stage has led to a proper consideration and reduction in construction or future maintenance or demolition risk."

I would have asked for that as part of the written application process though, and drilled down on suitable candidate responses at the interview stage.

Depending on your line of work, I'd also ask them about experience and knowledge of working with asbestos, or other specifics associated with the design house (e.g. structural instabilities, buried services, etc. etc.)

Good luck with that.
peter gotch  
#16 Posted : 14 April 2016 14:08:15(UTC)
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peter gotch

We've always considered that the role of Planning Supervisor / CDMC / Principal Designer should be a corporate appointment since 1993 (No that's not a typo - I ran my first CDM course in May 2003 and we were trialling our approach to how we implemented our designer and PS duties from about the same time, with the expectation that the regs would come into force on 31 December 1993 - the deadline for implementing the parent Directive).

The difference between CDM 1994/2007 and 2015 was that there was plenty of time to plan for new/amended legislation and the contrast with the rushed approach to CDM 2015 such that

We still don't have guidance aimed at large commercial clients. To be drafted by Construction Clients Group.

We still don't have a "Busy Builder's" leaflet to help domestic clients. Why a householder would be looking for a leaflet with such a title escapes me!

So I've been a CDM Advisor on 100s of projects where we have been appointed as PS, CDMC, and now PD + mostly more recently CDM Advisor to the Client where others have been appointed to provided these roles.

The panic has been such that large clients still don't get it. We got an OJEU notice last week from a Government Agency wanting to set up a Framework Contract for the provision of PD and CDM Advisor services. The latter, yes, the PD bit not legal, unless Framework expanded to give PD control of the pre-construction phase (e.g. as Project Manager). We are routinely explaining to clients that if they use procurement routes such as Design & Build, the role of PD must go to the successful bidder (directly or via the bidder's own supply chain).
walker  
#17 Posted : 14 April 2016 14:29:08(UTC)
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walker

Peter,

Not only do I agree and I have similar past experiences

The way I see it is this:
The UK Government was ordered by the EEC to comply with the directives so much like a sulky child it did, but purposely mucked things up.

So we now have a regulation that can never be enforced in the courts.
The EEC is happy
Tory Donors are happy
The government cant be accused of increasing red tape to voters (householder clients)
We are left to try to make some sense out of a dogs dinner
Stedman  
#18 Posted : 17 April 2016 19:05:21(UTC)
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Stedman

Whenever I am asked to give a brief explanation (internally within my organisation) about the differences of CDM 2015: My simple answer is that:

1. Unlike previous versions of these regulations, the HSE have not drafted these, but they appear to have been originally created by a political think tank.

2. Whichever CDM/PD advisor they speak to, they will get a different explanation depending on how they wish to spin their answer.

The elephant is that the CDM-C (advisor) is now supposed to have now been kicked firmly into the long grass and not to metamorphosis again!

Getting back to the original question, when we appointed someone last year, it was not what they knew about the legislation which mattered, but their knowledge of application of CDM through design and construction.
firesafety101  
#19 Posted : 18 April 2016 15:14:08(UTC)
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firesafety101

Many thanks.
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