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DHM  
#1 Posted : 05 April 2016 14:41:14(UTC)
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DHM

Hi everyone,

Can I just check with you if this is reportable please?

Person works one a day a week.
Accident occurs at work, hit head, remains conscious, though loss of blood leads to ambulance and A&E.
Person not signed off by Dr, returns to work 7 days after the accident, feels unwell due to still recovering from accident and goes home.

Is this a RIDDOR?

Thanks in advance DHM
gramsay  
#2 Posted : 05 April 2016 14:58:28(UTC)
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gramsay

http://www.hse.gov.uk/ri...reportable-incidents.htm

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg453.pdf

DHM there's two parts to this:

1. Was the accident work-related?

See page 2 of the second link above. This is where MOST of the discussions on this forum happen.

2. Does the injury meet the threshold for reporting?

For over-seven-day reports this is just about counting:

It doesn't matter that the person only works one day a week. Basically, if the person had their accident on a Monday, came back to work the following Monday but still felt unwell and went home again, this would be meet the threshold for reporting if they remained incapacitated on the Tuesday. (As long as the answer to question 1 above is yes). So 8 or more consecutive days of incapacity, not including the day of the injury.

DHM  
#3 Posted : 05 April 2016 15:04:41(UTC)
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DHM

Thanks gramsay. Yes definitely work related, and yes still not returned to work.

I appreciate the quick response on here.
Mr.Flibble2.0  
#4 Posted : 05 April 2016 15:19:16(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble2.0

As an aside I would not report unless the person has been signed off by a Dr (evidence of note) and that this illness is still a result of the accident.
David Jones  
#5 Posted : 12 April 2016 11:24:44(UTC)
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David Jones

If as you say it is work related and they are still off work (i.e. passes the over - 7 day threshold) then it is RIDDOR reportable.

The presence or lack of a doctors note is irrelevant - although if there is a suggestion that the time off is not related to the incident I would recommend further investigation including possibly sending them to an occupational health physician
P Barrett  
#6 Posted : 12 April 2016 20:38:44(UTC)
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P Barrett

Accident is work related.
Person is off for seven days returns to work and goes home still as a result of the accident.

For the first seven days they "Self Certify" as unfit for work. After that they can get a "sick note" from their GP, or a Dr at an A&E (who will be a little annoyed that the person has not gone to their GP).

If they do not have the "sick note" after the seven days then surely they are taking "unpaid leave"?
Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 12 April 2016 21:48:59(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Sick Notes were used to advise employers of the inability of a person to conduct contractual duty signed by a medical practitioner.

We now have Fit Notes.

Next you will be suggesting the employee terminated their own employment by failing to present doctors evidence of illness or providing a months advance agreement for taking this "unpaid leave"
Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 12 April 2016 21:48:59(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Sick Notes were used to advise employers of the inability of a person to conduct contractual duty signed by a medical practitioner.

We now have Fit Notes.

Next you will be suggesting the employee terminated their own employment by failing to present doctors evidence of illness or providing a months advance agreement for taking this "unpaid leave"
martyn  
#9 Posted : 14 April 2016 10:09:48(UTC)
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martyn

To my mind there are a number of issues here (assuming incident was work related)

a) The number of days worked per week is not relevant

b) Have you checked the IP has not/was not able to work from the time they hit their head and returning (they may have a 2nd job)

c) On returning after 7 days (to then go home) for continuous absence they should really go to their doctor (GP) and get a medical certificate (that they are not fit for work). Technically if they came back to work and then went off they have not been absent for more than 7 consecutive days and it could be argued that this was a new absence.

My advice would be if in doubt report provided you are happy the continued absence is due to the initial incident.
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