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Hi Everyone,
I have previously completed the Nebosh Fire Safety course and am looking at the next step to progress my fire safety knowledge. I would be grateful for views on good courses to consider and any first hand experience of the CFPA diploma ?
Kind regards
DJ
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I am looking at either CPFA Diploma or the NEBOSH Conversion to Fire Manager course (With Vulcan) once I have gotten my Diploma Unit D complete. I have heard good things about both so once I am submitted on my project I am going to look more into it. Whatever you choose, I wish you the best!
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Have you thought of becoming a retained fire fighter-
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I have done the course with Vulcan and would definitely recommend it. Completion of the 2 modules lead to membership of IFSM if so desired and, unlike Nebosh is actually informative instead of just preparing you for the exams.
I did the course in Northampton and the instructor there was really good. (and they supplied unlimited amounts of sweets for the sugar rush)
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I have completed a couple of course in fire safety, advanced managemnt the FPA risk assessment and the NEBOSH fire safety and risk asseemnt. I am just about to start a diploma in fire door inspection.
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Is there an active demand for a diploma in fire door inspection? Seems a bit obscure to me.
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Don't know your background but how about a fire and Explosions course? There a few run by ABB, Risktech etc. Which may well help you. There are also others that open up to you as part of the fire service. The courses I describe are normally part of the process safety domain for high hazards on and offshore. But to get a little more about Fire and explosion risks calculations and ALARP demonstrations why not have a look and see. There are also some useful tools on the NFPA/NIST (US) website including smoke and fire modelling software and it's free!
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Ian Bell2 wrote:Is there an active demand for a diploma in fire door inspection? Seems a bit obscure to me.
Had to google that one. It is run by the Fire Door Inspection Scheme (FDIS).
Once you've achieved the diploma (Non-members: £500 + VAT per person) you can upgrade to certified inspector (£2,000+ VAT for non-members).
You will need to re-take every 3 years to keep your accreditation (Non-members: £1,500 + VAT).
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quote=WatsonD] Ian Bell2 wrote:Is there an active demand for a diploma in fire door inspection? Seems a bit obscure to me.
Had to Google that one. It is run by the Fire Door Inspection Scheme (FDIS).
Once you've achieved the diploma (Non-members: £500 + VAT per person) you can upgrade to certified inspector (£2,000+ VAT for non-members).
You will need to re-take every 3 years to keep your accreditation (Non-members: £1,500 + VAT).
I thought at first this was a Friday thread, but sadly not after Googling it.
Getting the diploma ( e-learning !) does not even allow you to be an inspector.
What was that Dire Straits song from the Brothers in Arms album ?
Chris
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I work on the basis if someone is willing to pay for it why not!
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Invictus wrote:I work on the basis if someone is willing to pay for it why not!
Well that could get you into all sorts of trouble!
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WatsonD wrote:Invictus wrote:I work on the basis if someone is willing to pay for it why not!
Well that could get you into all sorts of trouble!
my Health and Safety job is just a cover!
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quote=Invictus]I work on the basis if someone is willing to pay for it why not!
I understand your reasoning at this point. However once this is encouraged and allowed to exist, someone will start specifying it. Then lets say you change jobs and all the new fire related work requires this, are you going to be happy paying £1.5k out of your own pocket in the future (as employers are unlikely to want to).
Knowledge is good, having to join a club is not. An e learning course really should be no more than a few hundred pounds, then job done. Do a course maybe, then stay up to date with any legal changes the same as we do for everything else.
Their reasoning for its existence play purely on the law requiring knowledgeable people, but this is too far.
IMHO
Perhaps the course is really good ( anyone done it?), but do we need another trade body for it and at stupid prices.
Chris
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I doubt such a qualification would be a big selling point on a CV.
Personally if I had £2k to spend on career enhancing qualifications, I could think of lots of other training courses to complete.
Would not a qualified / experienced carpenter and/or building surveyor provide the same function?
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Ian Bell2 wrote:I doubt such a qualification would be a big selling point on a CV.
Personally if I had £2k to spend on career enhancing qualifications, I could think of lots of other training courses to complete.
Would not a qualified / experienced carpenter and/or building surveyor provide the same function?
They are not paying £2K I could think of a lot of things to train in with £2K they are paying the £500 and it was at thier instruction as I keep 'harping on' apparently over the state of the doors. We have a lot of residential establsihments for Children and the elderly so I feel that fire doors provide a vital role for the likes of horizontal evacuation. At least by getting this they can not argue about my knowledge.
It's strange how you state a good carpenter should have the knowledge, we have our own property services and when I raise an issue they ask them first if it is a requirement.
I met our carpenter who was planing the top off the fire door and had removed the label explaining he will put it back when he's finished. I did try and get him on a course to understand fire doors and how to fit them correctly but he wouldn't go and he is only a young lad.
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I don't think its strange to suggest a carpenter - it wasn't meant to be a definite option, but something that could possibly be considered, if any carpenter you worked with might have been aware of fire door standards & fitting etc. Obviously in this case,it doesn't seem to be an option.
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Ian Bell2 wrote:I don't think its strange to suggest a carpenter - it wasn't meant to be a definite option, but something that could possibly be considered, if any carpenter you worked with might have been aware of fire door standards & fitting etc. Obviously in this case,it doesn't seem to be an option.
Sorry I think I was more thinking out loud and thinking of our carpenter. I offered the course to property services but no one wanted it, I don't like wasting the opportunity to gain knowledge and a certificate.
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Thanks everyone for your feedback.
I do have a retained fire fighting background as well as a number of years in Fire safety. All the feedback will help me to make an informed decision on what to do post Nebosh to further build on theoretical and practical knowledge.
The FDIS scheme is an interesting one and one I looked at when it launch a few years ago now. Never did get around to doing it and have always had reservations on its actual worth as a qualification, especially with the costs involved.
Many thanks
DJ
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I once compl;eted some risk assessments for the NHS and believe it or not this was actually brought up in the interview. I think this was based on a hospital, I think down down south.
Just come across this and shows a real committment to improve fire safety. Don't see fines this size very often for H&S breaches.
http://www.firecall.ltd....-fire-doors-wedged-open/
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I hope you don’t mind me adding another dimension to your thread. I went to a new building yesterday which was almost finished and noted that doors marked as fire doors seemed to not fit correctly. There were intumescent & smoke seals fitted to the doors, but the fit in the frame seemed poor and were in places in excess of 4mm (I understand the BS states it should be between 2mm and 4mm, so 3mm nominally). This meant the smoke seals didn’t seem to touch the frame and perhaps the intumescent strip would not be able to expand sufficiently, therefore pointless.
It made me wonder, how does this pass the planning inspection stage? Do they just have to check there is a door and not that it is fitted correctly?
Also made me wonder, perhaps there is a need for such courses / training as noted above?
Chris
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