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Can anyone point me in the direction of examples of fires that occurred at warehouses following hot work?
I have plenty of examples from manufacturing industry, but even a search of the internet is letting me down on this one!
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Lucy
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Thank you that's great background information.
I'm after specific examples if there are any out there.
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Thank you - I found that one but the examples are a bit old and they don't appear to be directly related to hot work.
I thought it was just my ignorance that was causing me so much trouble in finding relevant examples, but I am surprised because I know quite a few warehouses where the insurers have insisted that the control of hot work is a hot topic because there are so many fires in such circumstances.
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There are countless examples of fires in commercial premises resulting from hot works. Many during refurbishments, and initial builds.
Some would have originated from a naked flame, and as such, would develop very rapidly compared to say overheated electrics or similar, so I am not surprised an Insurance Company are laying down conditions.
Lucy - what do you want to achieve by collating such examples? Are you in dispute with an insurance company or with conditions imposed by them?
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mssy wrote:There are countless examples of fires in commercial premises resulting from hot works. Many during refurbishments, and initial builds.
Some would have originated from a naked flame, and as such, would develop very rapidly compared to say overheated electrics or similar, so I am not surprised an Insurance Company are laying down conditions.
Lucy - what do you want to achieve by collating such examples? Are you in dispute with an insurance company or with conditions imposed by them?
Messy, I agree there are many examples and I know of others but Lucy asks for Warehouses. Maybe there are not so many because fire safety measures are so good. If you want examples in general, timber framed buildings under construction is a good one.
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Lucy this is a link to a real fire in USA, a long time ago but relevant to your request. https://history.gmherita...dustrial_Fire_in_HistoryIn 1991 I started work as Fire Prevention Officer at the AC Delco factory in Kirkby, General Motors are the owners. Following the fire GM employed Industrial Risk Insurers (IRI) who required a high level of fire protection measures. This included wet pipe sprinklers everywhere, including electric sub stations, (we had four inside the factory), a Fire Prevention Officer, Security Officer full time employed at every location, and an inspection by the insurer every year. The factory had fire hydrants on a ring main around the buildings and even on the roof, with fire fighting hoses at every hydrant. A team of volunteer fire fighters, I had 28 from all trades including the production line men and women. Whenever one of the 28 sprinkler systems was going our of commission for works I had to request permission from IRI and have alternative fire watch in place. I had a proper Hot Work Permit syatem in place and there was always a fireman standing by. In the warehouse I purchased Fire Retardent sheeting to cover stock that couldn't be moved, and that worked, a few times it became damaged by sparks. I say all that to reinforce what I say about fire safety in warehouses being good and may be the reason it is hard to find what you are looking for. We did have the occasional for however, but not in the warehouse.
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Thank you all for your replies.
Mssy, I'm trying to explain to some permit issuers why hot work permits are required in warehouses. I have found that using previous case studies useful to demonstrate the moral and financial needs for such safe systems of work in the past.
I mainly work in production facilities and have lots of examples in that kind of environment, but nothing for warehouses - and I think the answers I've had explains why!
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I have worked with linked to retail and distribution for many years and Im not aware of any fires due to hot works. Primark and ASOS have both lost large DC's but not with hot works. You may struggle here.
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Hi Lucy, given the lack of hard data on your question you will probably have to rely on persuasion using whatever "common sense" the issuers have and your own skill at explaining simple fire science.
Fires need an ignition source (hot work), oxygen (everywhere) and readily available fuel (packaging materials, stored goods). Result in a warehouse will be rapid fire growth and spread, leading to a major fire which will destroy the warehouse and its contents (unless sprinklered). With sprinklers, a lot of water will probably be dumped causing localised water damage and widespread smoke contamination.
Proper precautions prior to the issuing of a Permit, constant care whilst the works are done and post-work checks will reduce the likelihood of a big fire.
Your employer's own insurers may be able to provide some material that you could use.
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As David says, the inception hazards are quite low in a warehouse whilst the fire spread risk is pretty substantial. Most insurers usually assume a 100% loss of a warehouse unless fully sprinklered.
The shortage of cases is partly due to the limited need for hot works in a warehouse environment. I normally only see two types.
1) The warehouse owner does car repairs on his own car in a corner of the warehouse. If that involves hot works, as an insurer surveyor, I would normally decline the business unless it was a metal goods warehouse.
2) Friction grinding sparks. Caused by racking contractors cutting out stubborn bolts on the floor plates. Insurers regard this as hot work but the public and press may not since it does not involve a naked flame. Either way, it needs controlling via hot work permit.
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