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arxbrgh  
#1 Posted : 30 April 2016 07:15:09(UTC)
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arxbrgh

RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 30 April 2016 08:08:08(UTC)
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RayRapp

Yes, any employee can be prosecuted but normally only following an injury as a result of their failures to carry out their duties safely pursuant to section 7 HSWA. However s7 is used frugally by the authorities and only for the most serious of offences. Why do you ask?

7 General duties of employees at work.

It shall be the duty of every employee while at work—

(a) to take reasonable care for the health and safety of himself and of other persons who may be affected by his acts or omissions at work; and

(b) as regards any duty or requirement imposed on his employer or any other person by or under any of the relevant statutory provisions, to co-operate with him so far as is necessary to enable that duty or requirement to be performed or complied with.



arxbrgh  
#3 Posted : 30 April 2016 08:42:31(UTC)
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arxbrgh

Sorry didn't really phrase the question very well as to understand what I'm really asking would be somewhat long-winded. What I'm looking for are cases of supervisors/ junior managers who have been prosecuted for failing to carryout their duties under HASAW. The last 3 organisation I have worked for the general feeling from lower management is that they are untouchable under HASAW as ultimately the MD/business owner or CEO will carry the can.
Ian Bell2  
#4 Posted : 30 April 2016 10:05:10(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Its very much as Ray says.
Yes, individuals/line managers can be prosecuted, but its quite rare.
In most situations the line manager etc will be an employee of the company. Then the company as its own legal entity will be prosecuted in the event of a serious accident, if the evidence supports a prosecution.
MDs are usually only prosecuted in smaller companies, where it is easier to show direct responsibility.
In larger companies with anything like a developed safety management system then individual prosecutions are rare.
JohnW  
#5 Posted : 30 April 2016 11:54:54(UTC)
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JohnW

Ian Bell2 wrote:
In larger companies with anything like a developed safety management system then individual prosecutions are rare.


Rare, but possible. If there is an effective safety management system working well then it can be likely that an individual/supervisor hasn't followed his training/responsibilities.

There is case history which I have referred to in training; can look for those (next week :o)
bob youel  
#6 Posted : 01 May 2016 10:09:07(UTC)
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bob youel

And don't forget that a civil claim can be made by an individual e.g. the worker towards another individual e.g. the manager etc.
sadlass  
#7 Posted : 02 May 2016 11:21:57(UTC)
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sadlass

Civil claims against an individual ("man of straw") are rarely advised, or needed when there is an insured employer against whom to claim. I am not aware of any of these, whereas there are quite a few prosecutions of managers / supervisors.
Historically the HSE used to prefer not to go after individuals, however, over the last ten years or so this has gradually changed. Check out the Barrow legionella case (2006?)

I have not bothered, but if you search the H&S press you will find quite a few more recently (often the company is also prosecuted so careful unpicking is needed) or you can try the HSE database, then google to get more.

The HSE find it harder to pin senior management down, an operational connection is required. The MD may well be out of the frame especially in larger organisations. I would not be resting on my laurels as a supervisor; a recent legal seminar suggested even the guys in overalls (on-site team leader) are being targeted by HSE which the lawyer found somewhat distasteful.
Different times . . .
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 02 May 2016 19:57:04(UTC)
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RayRapp

arxbrgh wrote:
Sorry didn't really phrase the question very well as to understand what I'm really asking would be somewhat long-winded. What I'm looking for are cases of supervisors/ junior managers who have been prosecuted for failing to carryout their duties under HASAW. The last 3 organisation I have worked for the general feeling from lower management is that they are untouchable under HASAW as ultimately the MD/business owner or CEO will carry the can.


Unfortunately you have identified a common problem - individuals are seldom held to account for their health and safety failings regardless of their status. Indeed, the higher up the corporate ladder the more they are protected by the corporate veil.

The HSE's thinking is that organisations should have in place their own disciplinary machinery to deal with any violations and that should be sufficient in most cases. The reality is it 's not worth the time, trouble and cost of prosecuting low ranking individuals within a company because they do not normally have the means to pay for a substantive fine and the HSE cannot recoup all their legal costs.

Sadlass mentioned the Barrow-in Furness legionella prosecution, which if my memory serves me correct a low ranking manager was prosecuted pursuant to s36 HSWA. The Council were also prosecuted after a common law corporate manslaughter charge failed earlier and were fined £120,000. However the feeling was the manager took the can for others' failings and was fined £15,000 about half her annual salary. Harsh by all accounts.
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 03 May 2016 13:49:03(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Yes, as has been said, anybody in the business can be prosecuted either under HSWA Section 7(duty on all employees to comply with H&S) or HSWA section 36(causing another person to breach H&S rules eg by ordering someone not to follow H&S rules) or even HSWA section 37(conniving and consenting to a breach of H&S rules ie not doing anything about H&S failures when you are in charge).
Such prosecutions are rare for sure; it is harder to prove that an individual did something wrong rather than an accident being due organisational failure. Your smug colleagues should remember though, that the HSE understand how organisations work and they (as I have been told by tame H&S inspectors) they know who to go for. I was told of an incident where a load came off an overhead crane and fell on and killed an employee. The HSE came on site and interviewed the H&S manager for 20 minutes to confirm that they had done the risk assessments and had written procedures and a training and maintenance regime in place etc. They then grilled the operations manager over TWO days under caution to establish exactly what he was doing to make the H&s theory work in practice. Not fun.
jwg  
#10 Posted : 03 May 2016 14:57:00(UTC)
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jwg

There are numerous examples on the HSE Press Release page. Typical scenario, man falls through fragile roof, HSE prosecute the supervisor/manager who was directly responsible for managing /organising the work.

JohnW  
#11 Posted : 04 May 2016 16:02:05(UTC)
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JohnW

arxbrg,

Looking to answer your question with specific cases.

This one, as well as a director, a line manager was also prosecuted

http://press.hse.gov.uk/...d-for-safety-failings-2/

And this one, manager prosecuted,

http://www.healthandsafe...ger-fined-riddor-failure

though, if you read, he didn't pay the fine......


JohnW
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