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Hi
I'm looking for any advice on this subject to see how others approach the situation!!
We have an employee who is constantly observed not wearing his safety glasses, even the MD has caught him and verbally warned him!!!! In the past 3 months I've received 7 near-miss incidents for this person being identified for not wearing safety glasses. What do others do? MD & HR suggest its time for disciplinary, how far do we yet it go?
Yes he has read and understood the risk assessment which identifies the use of safety glasses, on every occasion a near miss is issued the supervisor would talk to him and advice on his failure.
Help[ needed!!!!!!
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I would say its a job for the HR
If verbal warnings are not working, next would be written I would say.
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Unfortunately, if you don't take the next step now then you will be in the wrong.
I would suggest this individual has a number of occasions to explain why they are not complying with the rules and if there is no satisfactory explanation then you must demonstrate that this is a control measure you believe in and will enforce.
An official recorded verbal warning has to be the next step.
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If MD and HR are suggesting it is time for a disciplinary then what further advice are you looking for?
HR know what they are doing and they can take it from here, and you can be happy they are taking H&S seriously.
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Hi I agree with you all I feel disciplinary is required to paint the picture for other staff to show as a company we take H&S seriously.
My dilemma is at what point (how many near-misses for that person or any other person) tips the scale from a talking to, to becoming disciplinary? Its a persons livelihood at the end of the day. This is the question HR are asking me to answer!!!!!
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He's already had a first informal warning - from the MD no less. Next step has to be initiating disciplinary process. This is usually something like first, final and then sling your hook.
Good old HR - bouncing the issue straight back at you!
Maybe part of the problem here is a misuse of "near miss" procedures? This isn't a "near miss" it's a straightforward non-compliance with a (presumably) mandatory work instruction. In this instance it so happens to be safety related.
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This same person would probably have a claim up and running before you could remove a foreign object from his eye.
A HR issue, but after several coachings and still persisting in flaunting the rules I see this as a weakness in company disciplinary procedures.
From my experience he would be off-site and suspended after a second warning.
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And again this appears to be very weak management, which is the usual these days, inclusive of the MD & this is a HR area after U have advised
I advise that every supervisor at whatever level & all departments are updated as to what their duties are & the consequences of failure and the persons immediate supervisor also needs to be disciplined as its they who are conniving with the employee - after updating that is all U can do noting that it is not your role [or it should not be] to enforce the law nor company rules etc. as that is what we have supervisors for. Best of luck
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If I observed this man working not wearing his eye protection I would ask him to put on his eyewear.
If he refuses to do so, or is observed again not wearing them I would stop him from working and inform HR/management.
They should immediately warn him in writing and if he does not wear the eyewear next time take him off the job and stop his pay, maybe send him home.
He is a danger to himself and the repercussions to the employer if he suffers an injury are enormous.
Good to see management are already involved.
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Any failure to follow rules has to be dealt with by the company's disciplinary processes - end of. I don't understand why H&S people try to do anything else.
The process should include an investigation into why the person broke the rule, to make sure it was not a failure of the rule or management; and to determine if there was any mitigation. Then the outcome will typically be verbal warning, written warning, suspension etc. - but this will depend on the company's process. On the first occasion this process may be handled informally (i.e. the investigation is a quick "why aren't you wearing glasses - please make sure you do from now on"). It will normally then be escalated to something more formal.
I think failure to apply disciplinary processes is one reason that H&S struggles. Again, I don't know why there seems to be a problem with doing that. Discipline does not automatically mean someone gets punished. But ultimately, if that is the only way to get compliance there is no problem with punishment.
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Why does this individual refuse to wear safety glasses? Is wearing the glasses justified or just one part of a series of controls? Will disciplinary action resolve the situation or just cause resentment towards the H&S system and those tasked with implementing it? Just a different perspective, but good luck anyway.
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You might with to point out that allowing non-compliance could create a situation where the company could be held liable were an accident to happen.
Chris
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If its a condition of his employment to wear protective PPE then he's in breach of his employment and it could be either dismissal or suspension. With 7 Near misses with this one person alone, and to do with not wearing safety glasses is unbelievable that its been allowed to get this far, what are other employees thinking??
If your working in a construction site then its mandatory that you wear PPE of Safety Specs, Gloves, Hard Hat, Safety Boots and Hi Vis,
I've Drawn up a PPE policy for Employees to sign stating what the company expects from them in terms of wearing PPE.
I would suspend the bloke from carrying out any further work until he learns that he's there to work for your company and not the other way round.
Good Luck and Put your foot down
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I assume there has been a risk assessment carried out and either with the employees or at least communicated to the employees. A signature of reading and understanding would be a good idea.
If any of the above then he is in breach of H&S regulations.
If the HSE get wind of this they will be down on you like a ton of bricks, as my mum used to say.
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Curious to see so many responses to this agree disciplinary action needed, and then go on to use the first person "I", as in "I would tell / ask / take action against".
It is a line manager function to enact disciplinary procedures.
If you have 'HR' Im sure there will be a disciplinary procedure.
I am also sure that unless the company follow this to the letter, there could be an appeal (via ET if sacked).
If the procedure says line manager to take action, that does not give safety bods any 'policing' authority. Not (usually) the line manager.
Report safety observations or complaints to relevant line manager.
Let them take action (you can advise them).
If it continues, you continue to report.
If line manager fails, report THEM to HR.
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nelly13 wrote:Hi
We have an employee who is constantly observed not wearing his safety glasses.
Help[ needed!!!!!!
Who was doing the observations, and what action did they take in the past. This appears to be management failings, and maybe it's the managers that need the discipline for not taken appropriate action on previous occasions.
If the situation were appropriately addressed upon the first/second observation I am sure you would not be asking for advice - on here.
If I witness a staff not wearing their PPE I do not often talk to the staff member. I speak with their line manager asking why are they allowing staff to not wear their PPE, i.e. I put the accountability onto the line manager for not managing their staff appropriately. Our HR department have given warning to managers when they do not manager their H&S functions upon my advise, including in the past when PPE is not worn by workers. Agree or disagree with this approach - this works for us and has improved the safety culture of our organisation.
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