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solidpine  
#1 Posted : 03 May 2016 18:59:07(UTC)
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solidpine

I have been a registered trainer for 15 years with an awarding body, now my registration has expired and I have not had the chance to re-register as my employer will not support the £1500 and 10 days required, I know in L117 it says instructors should be registered, but is that for commercial training My question is if I was to conduct training for a friend as a competent person and issue an in house licence would that be OK with the HSE should someone later have an accident
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 04 May 2016 08:19:44(UTC)
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RayRapp

You do not need any qualifications to deliver health and safety training. It could be argued you do need knowledge and experience of the subject, the core competencies. I have delivered all manner of training in-house and external without any training qualifications. Looking at those prices I won't be getting any some time soon.
WatsonD  
#3 Posted : 04 May 2016 09:10:45(UTC)
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WatsonD

If you want to provide 'accredited' training then the relevant awarding body would have specific requirements for what qualifications the require. These would mostly be what you already hold and not need updating. Though they would likely audit you to ensure standards. However, as Ray says there is no requirement for this for in-house training.
walker  
#4 Posted : 04 May 2016 09:19:08(UTC)
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walker

What awards body has registered trainers do you mean NEBOSH ?
TDS1984  
#5 Posted : 04 May 2016 09:36:26(UTC)
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TDS1984

As L117 is for Rider-operated Lift trucks, and based on the price and 10 day attendance requirement I'd hazard a guess that it is RTITB. My feelings are that if you can qualify what standards you have trained people to, just as you would when you were an accredited trainer it should be fine for an in-house only course. In my experience, not much changes from one FLT refresher to the next so should be fine.
IanDakin  
#6 Posted : 04 May 2016 10:28:50(UTC)
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IanDakin

You would need to ensure you cover all the aspects of training outlined in L117 - basic training, familiarization and on the job. L117 states Selection of instructors 33 When arranging for training, employers should satisfy themselves that it is in accordance with this ACOP. Operator training should only be carried out by instructors who have themselves undergone appropriate training in instructional techniques and skills’ assessment.* * Training may be carried out by suitably trained in-house trainers, or externally, if the expertise is not available in the company. So you would need to be suitably trained. You could read that to mean that as your registration has expired you need to refresh your training to satisfy your employer. Ian
sadlass  
#7 Posted : 04 May 2016 10:36:30(UTC)
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sadlass

IanDakin wrote:
You would need to ensure you cover all the aspects of training outlined in L117 - basic training, familiarization and on the job. L117 states Selection of instructors 33 When arranging for training, employers should satisfy themselves that it is in accordance with this ACOP. Operator training should only be carried out by instructors who have themselves undergone appropriate training in instructional techniques and skills’ assessment.* * Training may be carried out by suitably trained in-house trainers, or externally, if the expertise is not available in the company. So you would need to be suitably trained. You could read that to mean that as your registration has expired you need to refresh your training to satisfy your employer. Ian
But the poster HAS been trained. It is the registration which has expired. Whether an employer insists on a registered trainer is their own policy decision, but my reading of this is that 'suitable training' has been undertaken. Practice and CPD updating are also components for competency. I see no problem.
solidpine  
#8 Posted : 04 May 2016 10:58:12(UTC)
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solidpine

Thanks for all the comments, I hold training certification for the types of equipment I train on and I also hold train the trainer CIEH and A1 Assessors qualification and PTTLS The way I see it is its my registration that's expired not my experience and it allows me to keep my experience of driving this plant up to date
alexmccreadie13  
#9 Posted : 04 May 2016 11:13:28(UTC)
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alexmccreadie13

Correct Solidpine you are not registered but you have the Experience to carry on training. Ta Alex
JohnW  
#10 Posted : 04 May 2016 11:31:42(UTC)
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JohnW

solidpine, you do appear to have the experience to be a competent trainer. But your question was:
solidpine wrote:
My question is if I was to conduct training for a friend as a competent person and issue an in house licence would that be OK with the HSE should someone later have an accident
Should someone have an accident while you are training him, or even sometime after, you could be in court to give evidence. You would need to convince the judge that you were, and still are, a competent trainer without the refresher training/registration. He would look at the evidence of your training certification for the types of equipment you train on, your 'train the trainer' CIEH, your A1 Assessors qualification and PTTLS, and he would make a decision based on that. JohnW
JohnW  
#11 Posted : 04 May 2016 11:37:29(UTC)
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JohnW

That should say PTLLS
WatsonD  
#12 Posted : 04 May 2016 12:11:12(UTC)
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WatsonD

JohnW wrote:
That should say PTLLS
That made me laugh. I think it is one of the few times I have seen it written correctly. Even when I worked in a college the director of the department that taught it, kept writing PTTLS instead of PTLLS
JohnW  
#13 Posted : 04 May 2016 12:20:03(UTC)
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JohnW

Yes :o) In my defence, I had cut'n'pasted the line from SP's post, altered the grammar for my meaning, but didn't check the spelling :0/
boblewis  
#14 Posted : 05 May 2016 09:49:01(UTC)
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boblewis

by instructors who have themselves undergone appropriate training in instructional techniques and skills’ assessment.* The above is the key quote and the second line in particular. It does not require a competent instructor to regularly undergo refresher training in the particular plant that is the subject of training no matter what the RITB, CITB and others would like you to think.
solidpine  
#15 Posted : 05 May 2016 10:11:48(UTC)
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solidpine

Thanks for all your comments gents ( and pointing out my spelling mistake PTTLS ) Some great answers Much appreciated
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