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Rees21880  
#1 Posted : 06 May 2016 07:58:20(UTC)
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Rees21880

We have a man-riding cage/basket that we only use for non-planned, infrequent access to height. However, a question was asked yesterday from someone who was adamant that it is now a requirement for an emergency stop should be fitted in the cage. This is allegedly to allow the operator in the basket to prevent unsafe movement eg if he/the basket is becoming trapped under a structure etc. Whilst it may sound like a good idea or a good practice, I can't find any reference to this, let alone it being an absolute requirement. Any ideas anyone? Thanks Pete
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 06 May 2016 08:17:26(UTC)
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RayRapp

Pete I am not aware of this requirement for MEWPs. Ther are different types of MEWPs for different tasks and environments. The principle is selecting the correct one for the task. You should also have an emergency plan for W@H which should include entrapment and rescue of the operator if they should get in difficulty or the equipment malfunctions. Normally a person on the ground who has been trained to operate the controls. I suggest you review HSE guidance for MEWPS. http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/geis6.pdf
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 06 May 2016 08:26:33(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As with all such statements of "fact" ask the provider for their evidence. Several employments have used man cage attachments for FLT's in the manner you describe and none were fitted with an E-Stop. If E-Stops were mandatory all FLT's would have some form of connector jack fitted as standard to allow the button to kill the engine. Excellent communications are required between driver and operative - when briefing before an activity the absolute mantra has always been that the FLT driver only operates the truck when and as instucted by the person in the basket (lift / lower / forward /back etc.) - part of the RA like checking the cage is securely attached, operative in harness and hooked on
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 06 May 2016 08:26:33(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As with all such statements of "fact" ask the provider for their evidence. Several employments have used man cage attachments for FLT's in the manner you describe and none were fitted with an E-Stop. If E-Stops were mandatory all FLT's would have some form of connector jack fitted as standard to allow the button to kill the engine. Excellent communications are required between driver and operative - when briefing before an activity the absolute mantra has always been that the FLT driver only operates the truck when and as instucted by the person in the basket (lift / lower / forward /back etc.) - part of the RA like checking the cage is securely attached, operative in harness and hooked on
Granlund40055  
#5 Posted : 06 May 2016 09:28:07(UTC)
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Granlund40055

“Non-integrated” platforms do not have controls in the platform so logically there would be no requirement for an emergency stop. The HSE 2013 guidance on non-integrated working platforms on fork lift trucks does not mention emergency stops. See http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/pm28.pdf. This also states there are ‘Permissioning control working platforms’ which are “are non-integrated working platforms with hold-to-run controls that link to and nullify the truck lift/lower and traction controls until the controls in the platform are actuated by someone in the platform; ie adjusting platform height or truck movement can only occur by the truck operator operating the truck controls when the platform controls are held by an operator in the platform. “ Your questioner may be thinking of those?
James Robinson  
#6 Posted : 06 May 2016 11:01:46(UTC)
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James Robinson

As post #2 Is it such a good idea? I could predict situations where you do not want the operator in the air preventing the flt driver from using the controls. If they were to be pinned or trapped, pass out or faint, etc. but had activated the e-stop, what happens next? You are now in effect relying totally on them to be capable of deactivating the e-stop after the event, to hand the control back to the flt driver, until then they're stuck in the air!
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 06 May 2016 11:46:31(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I know nothing about man-riding cages on fork lifts but I did notice the first line of this thread “We have a man-riding cage/basket that we only use for non-planned, infrequent access to height.” Hopefully you mean “not pre-planned” as oppose to “non-planned”. I think that any infrequent operation requires more planning than a routine one.
IanDakin  
#8 Posted : 06 May 2016 12:22:30(UTC)
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IanDakin

As far as I am aware nothing has changed since PM28 was issued. I doubt you need an emergency stop on this safety cage. However, other methods of getting to height are much better, have you tried to get the safety cage changed for a cherry picker or HLOP? Ian
Rees21880  
#9 Posted : 06 May 2016 14:21:11(UTC)
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Rees21880

Thanks everyone for your comments..... I'd already reviewed PM28 but glad that I hadn't missed anything - thanks Ian and Granlund. Ian - I did mean pre-planned and not non-planned! We are in the process of looking at alternatives to the basket anyhow but wanted to ensure that if/when we get rid of it, we do so with it in the correct state. Thanks for the help and comments. Pete
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