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ptaylor14  
#1 Posted : 06 May 2016 12:56:13(UTC)
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ptaylor14

Do apprentice electricians need the card to work on site whilst still training?
Likewise construction trades?
WatsonD  
#2 Posted : 09 May 2016 08:12:42(UTC)
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WatsonD

That would depend on the individual site rules. However, this info direct from the CSCS website:

This card is available to people who are registered on a recognised apprenticeship framework.
This card is valid for four years and can not be renewed.
Applicants for this card do not need to take the CITB Health, Safety & Environment test if they have met their Apprenticeship Managing Agency’s health and safety requirements before applying for the card.

https://www.cscs.uk.com/card-type/apprentice/
P455w0Rd  
#3 Posted : 09 May 2016 10:08:44(UTC)
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P455w0Rd

We have rolled out IOSH Working Safety courses for our Apprentices
This gives them a better understanding of Hazards and Risks. You can obtain a CSCS card without doing the CSCS H&S assessment; you just need to send a copy of your IOSH card with the application
WatsonD  
#4 Posted : 09 May 2016 10:22:21(UTC)
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WatsonD

P455w0Rd wrote:
We have rolled out IOSH Working Safety courses for our Apprentices
This gives them a better understanding of Hazards and Risks. You can obtain a CSCS card without doing the CSCS H&S assessment; you just need to send a copy of your IOSH card with the application


As per my last post, you do not need to spend out extra moeny on an IOSH course, or lose your apprentices for the day, if you can get written confirmation for the H&S training they have undertaken as part of their college course
ptaylor14  
#5 Posted : 09 May 2016 11:41:24(UTC)
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ptaylor14

WatsonD wrote:
That would depend on the individual site rules. However, this info direct from the CSCS website:

This card is available to people who are registered on a recognised apprenticeship framework.
This card is valid for four years and can not be renewed.
Applicants for this card do not need to take the CITB Health, Safety & Environment test if they have met their Apprenticeship Managing Agency’s health and safety requirements before applying for the card.

https://www.cscs.uk.com/card-type/apprentice/


what or who is this???
Apprenticeship Managing Agency’s health and safety requirements
WatsonD  
#6 Posted : 09 May 2016 12:24:37(UTC)
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WatsonD

Peter,

The Apprenticeship managing agency would be the awarding body. So for instance, City & Guilds for most construction training.

You would need to contact the college or training provider for clarification that they had completed this unit of their training (it is usually the first unit they undertake). They should be able to provide you with a copy of the certificate of unit credit, which will satisfy the CSCS requirements.

If I may ask a question in return:- Out of genuine curiosity, why three question marks?
ptaylor14  
#7 Posted : 13 May 2016 12:42:18(UTC)
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ptaylor14

WatsonD wrote:
Peter,

The Apprenticeship managing agency would be the awarding body. So for instance, City & Guilds for most construction training.

You would need to contact the college or training provider for clarification that they had completed this unit of their training (it is usually the first unit they undertake). They should be able to provide you with a copy of the certificate of unit credit, which will satisfy the CSCS requirements.

If I may ask a question in return:- Out of genuine curiosity, why three question marks?


I hit the key three times ?????
Peterbilt  
#8 Posted : 13 May 2016 12:50:34(UTC)
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Peterbilt

I would just like to add, most of these cards are not worth the cost nor paper they are written on.
What is important is the work ethics of the individual.
You can have a person working on-site with every piece of H&S certification available and yet still work unsafely.
I see it everyday when I visit sites, unsafe working practices, Acts and Conditions and ever person holds a CSCS card or equivalent.
WatsonD  
#9 Posted : 13 May 2016 13:21:58(UTC)
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WatsonD

ptaylor14 wrote:
WatsonD wrote:
Peter,



If I may ask a question in return:- Out of genuine curiosity, why three question marks?


I hit the key three times ?????


You crazy, passionate fool!
Bazzer  
#10 Posted : 13 May 2016 19:42:58(UTC)
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Bazzer

All these schemes are money making schemes; many of my clients employees have attended the 2-day CCNSG safety passport course, and are not allowed on site unless they have the CSCS card, and have passed the H&S test (which is not training), as the safety passport is not accepted.
WatsonD  
#11 Posted : 16 May 2016 07:56:00(UTC)
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WatsonD

Okay, playing devils advocate here: all of these schemes are a waste of money - what is the alternative?
fscott  
#12 Posted : 16 May 2016 09:34:32(UTC)
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fscott

If you haven't seen it you may want to take a look at this thread on the site as it looks like the rules regarding CSCS etc on Construction Sitesd are going to be changing once again and are going to become even more rigid that they already are

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...spx?g=posts&t=121714
Steve e ashton  
#13 Posted : 16 May 2016 09:36:40(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

The alternative is easy to describe in outline, but getting it right is hard. It is effective assessment of skills and aptitude at recruitment, followed by effective supervion and monitoring, along with appropriate training. Which is what most of us have been trying to do from day one. Cscs and similar are not highly regarded in the profession because they seek to circumvent the assessment at recruitment,a d they are too often seen as an excuse not to supervise or monitor.
fscott  
#14 Posted : 16 May 2016 09:58:42(UTC)
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fscott

Apologies the link in my last post wasn't the right one but here it is:

http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...spx?g=posts&t=121721
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