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gerrysharpe  
#1 Posted : 14 May 2016 06:48:34(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Just had me thinking, there are some discrete Body Camera out there that can record upto 10 hours on a single 32mb Memory card. I do quite a few safety audits on sites all around London and some of the things i've noticed, well lets say you wouldn't believe me if i told you. Not just by the company i do the audits from others. The end result is that i have (1.) proof of unsafe working practices, (2.) easier for compiling reports especially if you do 2 or 3 sites a day (3.) to use within training, toolbox talks etc.. Just wondering would i need any special permission or anything if i was to use this idea on sites, and would i be able to use the video as proof of serious breaches of Health and Safety. I was thinking of something along the lines of this http://www.ebay.co.uk/it...eName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT With more and more people having personal videos recording now, from Cyclist, Police and debt Collectors as well as some local authority staff, could this be a help for Health & Safety staff? Does anyone here adopt the same idea and does it work for you?
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 14 May 2016 15:32:46(UTC)
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firesafety101

I have in the past experienced on site workers refusing to allow me to take photographs of them working. I know some were on benefits and should not have been working and they thought I would report them. You would need permission if operating in schools and nursing homes, other similar institutions. I do see the benefit however. I have two dashboard cameras on my car, front and rear. I have not had to use them to prove fault yet but they do provide amusing entertainment when I play the recording to people.
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 14 May 2016 21:30:44(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Suggest reading the information commissioners guidance on CCTV - there is a fine line between recording for legitimate purpose and missuse where an event is accidentally captured. The use of the incidental image could leave you liable especially when the workers have not been advised that images are being recorded.
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 14 May 2016 21:30:44(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Suggest reading the information commissioners guidance on CCTV - there is a fine line between recording for legitimate purpose and missuse where an event is accidentally captured. The use of the incidental image could leave you liable especially when the workers have not been advised that images are being recorded.
sadlass  
#5 Posted : 14 May 2016 21:34:08(UTC)
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sadlass

Liable for what, to whom?
mike52  
#6 Posted : 15 May 2016 07:41:13(UTC)
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mike52

I do photography as a hobby, so there is a similar question about photographing people so I looked up the advice from the police. 1) if you are on public land then you can photograph anything, including people, you like within reason (e.g. military or prison sites and such). 2)if you are on private property then you require permission from the land owner. 3) If you are on private property without permission you must stop immediately when asked to do so. I assume this would also apply to video cameras as well. Mike
johnmurray  
#7 Posted : 15 May 2016 10:50:42(UTC)
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johnmurray

Of course, this brings you into the remit of the DPA.. Your images will need to be securely stored, and in some cases may need to be encypted. You also need to assess whether you really need to use the video system, or whether another means may be more appropriate? Then again, if requested would you be able to provide another person/organisation access to the recordings (using available equipment they would now be digital) under the subject access provisions of the DPA. There is also the Protection of Freedoms act to consider: https://www.gov.uk/gover...-camera-code-of-practice Have fun reading your obligations. It may even be that when you have recorded something, you cannot use it..or your use OF it may be a breach of privacy.... after all, if a recording of a famous person leaving a drug treatment establishment, and on public ground, was a breach of their rights... https://ico.org.uk/media...ctv-code-of-practice.pdf
gerrysharpe  
#8 Posted : 16 May 2016 07:36:04(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Ok thats some good information there however on Private Property and with permission of the main Contractors who in essence are the temporary owners of the building whilst its being fitted out. To use of the video would only be required if it was to capture or see unsafe practices being committed by individuals. Otherwise with no reported instances, the images would simply be deleted until the the next visit. I'm guessing its no different to taking pictures on site? or the building having its own CCTV system for the prevention of crime. This would be in essence for the prevention of accidents, and nothing more. Might give it a trail run later in the week and see if its practical. Sometimes it may be too late to take a picture of an incident or hazard as by the time you get your phone or camera out and attempt to take the picture, its over, whereas with video you get to record the minutes leading up to the incident, what caused the incident and the final outcome. A lot more detailed information than simply taking a picture after the event happened. Information like this can be crucial, where a serious beach of the safety rules have occurred, and could lead to more accurate reports being drawn up. Don't want to get waylaid too much by all the Technical jargon and red tape but to have a safe, secure system where serious breaches are caught and recorded and then used to prevent re occurrences. if nothing of interest is captured then everything is deleted at the end of the working day.
pete48  
#9 Posted : 16 May 2016 10:18:21(UTC)
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pete48

Might be worth a quick read over; gives a sense of the potential mgmt issues. https://ico.org.uk/media...pia-code-of-practice.pdf
gerrysharpe  
#10 Posted : 16 May 2016 10:50:02(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

pete48 wrote:
Might be worth a quick read over; gives a sense of the potential mgmt issues. https://ico.org.uk/media...pia-code-of-practice.pdf
I would assume this is more for public areas where the general Public are in abundance. however for a Private Property, with Permission of the Owners i do not see a problem with recordings of Safety Issues a problem, its no different to taking pictures or a company having CCTV within a building. Talk about making something so simple, so complicated. I can't see anyone making a legal claim about a recording when it catches them doing something illegal or putting themselves or others in danger. If people are worried what i will do with the images then i'll tell them they get deleted at the end of the day if no reportable occurrences have happened, failing that and i do manage to catch someone in an illegal act or putting others at risk or danger, then that recording will be proof and the identification of the person/s responsible.
walker  
#11 Posted : 16 May 2016 11:00:49(UTC)
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walker

I'd advise you to buy a very small camera. This will aid the surgical procedure for removing it from your bodily orifices.
pete48  
#12 Posted : 16 May 2016 11:25:50(UTC)
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pete48

But you are collecting data and in a new form are you not? No doubt your company will have data protection controls and a data protection officer. Perhaps it would be prudent to discuss it with them before proceeding. You may find their use is already covered? I wasn't suggesting you shouldn't do it just that it may be more complex than you imagine. Good luck and why not come back and let us all know how you get on
Graham Bullough  
#13 Posted : 16 May 2016 11:58:53(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Increasing numbers of front line police officers are wearing body cams (alias body-worn cameras) and apparently to considerable effect according to online press articles such as http://www.independent.c...ice-system-a6905691.html Can anyone with good knowledge of police work comment about the pros and cons of such cameras for the work of police forces, their officers and also the people with whom they work - including members of the public, other law enforcers and the criminal justice system? What happens to the video and sound data recorded by such cameras? Presumably officers can readily switch their cameras on and off at any time. If so, I guess that problems can occur when officers forget to use their camera switches when appropriate! Graham B
johnmurray  
#14 Posted : 16 May 2016 17:26:07(UTC)
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johnmurray

The police service produces codes of practice for its employees on this subject. As lead force using BWV systems, Beds police have produced theirs: http://www.bedfordshire....cy%20and%20Procedure.pdf It is quite comprehensive.
achrn  
#15 Posted : 17 May 2016 08:35:54(UTC)
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achrn

gerrysharpe wrote:
I would assume this is more for public areas where the general Public are in abundance. however for a Private Property, with Permission of the Owners i do not see a problem with recordings of Safety Issues a problem, its no different to taking pictures or a company having CCTV within a building.
CCTV is covered by quite specific data protection requirements, however. If your company does not currently operate CCTV you will increase the data protection workload by adopting it. You need to beware of both the DPA and the Protection of Freedoms Act. I'd start with a read of the ICO CCTV code of practice - https://ico.org.uk/media...ctv-code-of-practice.pdf
David Thomas  
#16 Posted : 18 May 2016 08:35:38(UTC)
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David Thomas

Would appreciate any local authorities who use this (say Parking Civil Enforcement etc.) to touch base with a private message. About to have a meeting on lone working monitoring and just come across this link. Interestingly breakfast TV have featured Body Cams for School Crossing patrols... again, any comments welcomed thanks
Ali Sooltan  
#17 Posted : 18 May 2016 10:43:01(UTC)
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Ali Sooltan

Not sure if this helps, but I often take photos of unsafe practices on my site on which I advise on. I would imagine video would command a similar permission. In fact the employer welcomes the photos as it enables them (as laypersons) to understand the risk better. Possibly discuss with employer first?
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