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Hi I've an IOSH Managing Safely qualification which I believe is a suitable qualification for me to take the Principle Designer Role in fairly simple CDM Projects. However having googled it I cant find anything that supports this and I'm being steered towards the 15day NEBOSH qualification which I think would be over the top for the very small Projects we get involved in. Any body got any advice or views?
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Hmm, with respect Ron, I don't think you will find anyone on this Forum who will agree that a IOSH Managing Safely is a suitable qualification, or even a qualification, for the role of Principal Designer. Indeed some will argue a NEBOSH Cert is not enough either.
It does depend of course on your experience of construction/safety and what these 'very small projects' actually involve.
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Have you done taken this role on before? Are you familiar with the process and methods to be employed on the project? Have you been engaged in the construction design process before? Do you understand your duties under the CDM regs etc. In other words. Prove your competence other than qualifications.
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Ron,
THe IOSH MS is a very generic course aimed at those with some H&S responsibilities as part of their day-to-day roles. It is not even construction specific.
I think it would be very hard for you to prove your competency as Principal Designer with just this alone. And I don't think the "simple nature" of the project would hold much weight should the proverbial hit the fan.
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Ron Long wrote:Hi I've an IOSH Managing Safely qualification which I believe is a suitable qualification for me to take the Principle Designer Role in fairly simple CDM Projects. However having googled it I cant find anything that supports this and I'm being steered towards the 15day NEBOSH qualification which I think would be over the top for the very small Projects we get involved in. Any body got any advice or views?
How much civil / structural design do you do / have you done? The Principal Designer is a Designer, so you need to be a designer first of all. ('You' in this context could mean your employer - I would recommend that you make the appointment a corporate one, not appointment of you as an individual).
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I have done the Managing Safely course, found it to be very basic although there was some thinking to be done, exam and risk assessment and some group work.
It is not a qualification though.
In my opinion creating the Principal Designer role was wrong as I believe there are not many Architects and Designers who have the necessary qualifications/experience at the CDM C role which is what it is.
It would be difficult for an individual to take on the design work and the CDM C type work together.
It is better to have a designer do the drawings and all associated work and a CDM competent person do that side of the job.
Communication between all parties is essential.
Jack of all trades, master of none is not acceptable I'm afraid.
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Agree with others. It very much depends on the type/nature of the project.
Managing Safely in itself is very unlikely to be enough to show competence in understanding the design process. most IOSH courses are very 'light' on anything but immediate site hazards/risks. Nothing more than minimal mention of how designs are managed/progressed etc, what types of design studies are required to help ensure a safe design. Inherent safety/HAZID/HAZOP/FMEA/construction reviews etc in my time doing IOSH courses were barely mentioned, yet these are key design tools in some areas of the construction industry.
Do you have other experience to show this - other engineering/construction qualifications, probably to degree level.
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The Association of Project Safety states (taken from their recently published Principal Designers Handbook)
The Principal Designer must be:
Either: one of the design organisations or sole practitioner Designers designing the project
OR: a separate designer or design organisation not part of the team designing the project.
The hand book then goes on to say that a designer must not accept and appointment for the PD role unless they have the necessary skills, knowledge and experience relevant to the project. If you can demonstrate this then crack on, however, I would not rely on the Managing Safely course as an example of this.
Incidentally, a Principal Designer is only required if it is reasonable foreseeable that more than one contractor will be involved within the project - if this is the case you need a PD, if not and you can keep all services (in house) then there is no need for a PD
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