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Hi
We have a waste transfer station where the speed limit has been set at 5 mph. Drivers are not usually obeying to this speed limit and are complaining when challenged.
What do others set as speed limits on their sites and what do you feel is reasonable. I don't want to set a limit that we know will/can not be adhered to.
Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks
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5 MPH is absolutely reasonable, the number of people are killed in collisions, well. Stick to your guns, enforce
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It really depends on what is a reasonably safe speed given the environment. Without interventions such as speed humps, if the speed limit is set too low it will result in ubiquitous non-compliance unless it is rigorously enforced which may include disciplinary measures.
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Bigmac1 wrote:5 MPH is absolutely reasonable, the number of people are killed in collisions, well. Stick to your guns, enforce
It really depends on the environment and the size of the site, some of the sites I visit are 3 to 4 miles long.
Note: a lot of speedometers in private vehicles will not register 5mph. Bigmac is right, whatever the speed limit is, make sure its enforced.
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Well it takes time to change habit of a person. You have to decide how reasonable the speed limit is fornyour site. If yiu think its reasonable stick to it. Place yiur people to monitor the speed limit. Make people aware why u have fixee this speed,what can be the iimplications of over-speeding on the site. Notwithstanding if people doesn't change penalise them. But it should be the last resort.
Thank you
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How would you monitor/enforce a 5mph limit? Or any limit come to that, but as most speedos don't register below 10 mph . . . how can drivers know what 5mph is?
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My speedo does register 5mph. However is that a realistic speed?
When I worked on a rail site a few years ago the depot speed limit was 5mph which was ridiculous given the width and length of road, so very few people adhered to the speed limit and definitely not the client's representatives!
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5mph!!!!! Unless you have speed limits that are realistic and achievable then you're going to have problems. Not ALL vehicles register 5mph so how do you expect drivers to comply?
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I would think a risk assessment from scratch would be required to pick up the issues others have raised.
Could you have signs that measure the speed of vehicles to enforce a speed limit?
This would remind drivers that this is to be taken seriously whatever limit you determine is appropriate.
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Hire a speed gun and set it up along with signs to remind site users of the speed limit. The usual response I got was "ooh I didn't realise I was going so fast! I’ll be more careful in future”. The worst offender wasn’t a boy racer but a sweet lady that worked in the library. Repeat the process but you don’t always need a real speed gun-anything that looks like it might be one has a calming effect on drivers!
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As others have said, reassess the risk. Is 5 MPH needed - vehicle / pedestrian separation in place etc etc.
Just done a review on a Uni site, previously 5 MPH signed but completely ignored. With local traffic management department monitoring and assistance settled on 20 MPH as per built up areas near schools, manageable and can be enforced - getting the 'smiley / sad' monitor camera.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...od/inspect/transport.pdf is the HSE guide to inspectors on site traffic management, have a scan on what they would be looking for if involved in a visit or investigation.
Helps to have comprehensive CCTV in place too though.
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5mph is a very low max speed, not really feasible for some vehicles. At just above stalling speed some engine/gear ratios will just not go that slowly.
Whilst there is frequently a 5mph average speed achieved on sections of the M60 it is due to a combination of 25mph and 0mph!
As others have said, better to set a realistic site limit that can be achieved and would be adhered to, with a combination of education and instruction backed up by some form of warning and ultimately sanctions if necessary for repeat offenders.
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Jump into the cab of a few lorries coming on to and watch the speed they do. Don't tell the driver why you are doing it, say something like you are checking for visibility from the cab. Watch the speed and judge for yourself if you think that what he is doing is reasonable. Based on that you should be able to get an idea of what a sensible limit should be.
More broadly and as others have said please make sure that traffic pedestrian segregation is adequate, that is far more important than the speed limit. I've been involved in the fall out form two fatalities at transfer stations and in both cases simple walkways and designated sorting areas for those on foot that are barriered off would have saved a life.
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10mph for vehicles (cars, lorries, vans etc) found anything under this wasn't realistic.
5mph for all FLT's / PPT's - These are restricted by the manufacturer so they can not exceed this
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Is it on private ground? Could always consider installing speed bumps to help enforce the lower speed requirment - as a rule of thumb a 75mm high bump would force speeds down to between 5-10mph without causing the driver to bang his head on the cab ceiling :-)
I must admit I find it difficult to drive at extreme low speeds as you end up concentrating more on your speedometer than whats through the windscreen and can see the argument for/against from both sides to be fair.
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You cannot drive a large goods vehicle at 5mph without feathering the clutch - and that's not safe or good for the vehicle.
15mph is realistic.
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Local garden centre has a speed limit sign saying:
5 and 3/4 miles per hour.
It gets your attention and makes you smile.
And you remember it!
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Thanks to everyone for the responses some really useful advice and ideas there. My feelings when I started was that 5mph was almost impossible to adhere to and that seems to be the case for most drivers. We are getting quite a few grumbles and our neighbours who use the same roadway in struggle to keep it under 45mph let alone 5mph!
Would any of you have and recommendations for suppliers of the radar signs which display your speed?
Thanks again
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RayRapp wrote:It really depends on what is a reasonably safe speed given the environment. Without interventions such as speed humps, if the speed limit is set too low it will result in ubiquitous non-compliance unless it is rigorously enforced which may include disciplinary measures.
Ray, exactly what an ex inspector Mr Alan Barker told me when I managed a site at Furzebrook in Dorset - no cameras etc. Asked how I enforced the rule ? Cutting to the chase in raised the limit to 15mph . In 18 years no accidents. Inside buildings kept it at 5mph.
Rules need to be enforceable...
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Assuming you have total segregation on site, with no pedestrian workers and physical barriers between trucks and people?
15-20 MPH, registers on a speedo, 5 mph doesn't. 20 MPH is a safe driving speed.
Speed bumps are simply a pain in the spine, legs and wrists, they also damage the wheel alignments on truck wheels and cars - no matter what speed you drive over them. They are a menace to vehicle control.
20 MPH is what is considered a safe speed driving past schools.
The actual point where trucks queue up to turn around and dump the waste is obviously going to be less than 5 MPH, leave that to the drivers professional competence.
I would suggest on long stretches of road leading up and leading awat from the waste transfer station, you install tic-tak signs, that smile to register 20 MPH speeds and frown at other speeds.
Nothing defeats safety more than over zealous controls by tin pot safety gods - the drivers are all professionals who do the job every day, don't make the job any harder than it has to be.
(I have experience of actually doing this job of delivering to a waste transfer station, perhaps you could talk to the other drivers if you don't want to take my advice?).
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