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Good morning all. I would like to ask what are your views on the term "Strongly Presumed Non Asbestos Product" on a R&D survey. I am not comfortable with this as unless tested you cannot presume there is nothing there. Looking through regs and guidance, along with any training, this is still not an acceptable term. the only reference i can see where presumed not to contain is solid wood, metal, glass.
i really would appreciate your help as challenging this will be difficult without the expert knowledge that the surveyors will have.
Kind regards
Rex
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I am not an asbestos expert, however I deal with asbestos on a regular basis. I have never come across this term to my knowledge. Normally the survey will state - asbestos presumed or strongly presumed.
I cannot see the logic in stating 'Strongly Presumed Non Asbestos Product' because if the substance has not been tested for whatever reason it should state something to the effect - 'Caution not inspected' or 'Presumed' or 'Strongly Presumed Asbestos' in my opinion.
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I have seen this before albeit in older reports.
It was common to use the phrase when a test was conducted on a "substance" and was found to be a non-ACM. Then when the same product was encountered again in the survey it wasn't tested and the phrase used.
A good example is the soffit on a building. One area tested and found as a non-ACM, the surveyor would then use the phrase based on the product being of similar nature and used in the same way, when identified again.
My concerns would be that a full R&D survey containing the phrase, would not be a full R&D survey in my opinion. I would engage with the surveyor and ascertain why they have used the phrase. Surely an R&D survey is to ascertain exactly where any ACM is an control measures put in place.
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I have seen this in several school asbestos surveys - carried out by my local authority. I just assumed that it meant that it was likely to be safe - we haven't put any precautions in place for those areas, nor have we marked it red on our plans.
Peter
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Rex Stanton wrote:Good morning all. I would like to ask what are your views on the term "Strongly Presumed Non Asbestos Product" on a R&D survey. I am not comfortable with this as unless tested you cannot presume there is nothing there. Looking through regs and guidance, along with any training, this is still not an acceptable term. the only reference i can see where presumed not to contain is solid wood, metal, glass.
i really would appreciate your help as challenging this will be difficult without the expert knowledge that the surveyors will have.
Kind regards
Rex
My thoughts on this are The R&D Survey states 'Accessing all parts of the building using destructive sampling if necessary.' In my opinion, it's the only way you can say Asbestos is or isn't present.
Surely it sounds more like the Management Survey but even then, you have to 'Err on the side of caution'
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Frank, good point.
I wonder is this why the HSE ACOP says you don't have to attend asbestos awareness training if there is a survey available.
One assumption is The survey is a Demo/Refurb survey.
I asked the question on a different thread earlier this week.
So of the survey is recent and is a Demo/refurb survey, and asbestos is found and released during the work do we have reason for action against the Surveyer, and are all asbestos surveyers aware of that.
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