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Russ1977  
#1 Posted : 06 June 2016 16:40:50(UTC)
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Russ1977

Hi all,

How often should the above be inspected?

Thanks
gerrysharpe  
#2 Posted : 07 June 2016 07:54:53(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

INSPECTIONS

External fire escapes, (and all other means of escape in case of fire with which a building is provided), must be available for use at all times when the premises is occupied.
It is therefore recommended that an should be carried out to check the following points. Daily.

• That the doors giving access to the escape are easily open-able and open fully
• That any self closing doors which are in the vicinity of the escape are effectively self-closing
• That any fire resisting glazing adjacent to the escape is intact and fixed shut
• That the stairway, landing and route to a final place of safety (such as a roadway or car park) are unobstructed by goods, rubbish or vegetation
• That nothing is stored beneath the stairway
• That the stair treads, handrails and brackets securing the stairway to the building are in a sound condition. If there is evidence of rust on a metal stairway, it is likely that it needs a thorough inspection by a structural engineer followed by any necessary repairs and thorough treatment with weatherproof paint
• That the stair treads are non-slippery, e.g.no moss or algae growth
• That primary and escape lighting is in working order
• That any necessary signs are in place and are unobstructed
Immediate action should be taken to remedy any faults found during the check.
It is wise to scrape and re-paint a metal fire escape at regular intervals to ensure that it remains in a safe condition and to avoid the need for major and expensive structural repairs, which may put large areas of the building out of use.

Regular Checks should be completed on a regular basis and perhaps a yearly Structural Check by a competent person to assess any corrosion or Damage

RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 07 June 2016 08:28:06(UTC)
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RayRapp

gerrysharpe wrote:
INSPECTIONS

External fire escapes, (and all other means of escape in case of fire with which a building is provided), must be available for use at all times when the premises is occupied.
It is therefore recommended that an should be carried out to check the following points. Daily.

• That the doors giving access to the escape are easily open-able and open fully
• That any self closing doors which are in the vicinity of the escape are effectively self-closing
• That any fire resisting glazing adjacent to the escape is intact and fixed shut
• That the stairway, landing and route to a final place of safety (such as a roadway or car park) are unobstructed by goods, rubbish or vegetation
• That nothing is stored beneath the stairway
• That the stair treads, handrails and brackets securing the stairway to the building are in a sound condition. If there is evidence of rust on a metal stairway, it is likely that it needs a thorough inspection by a structural engineer followed by any necessary repairs and thorough treatment with weatherproof paint
• That the stair treads are non-slippery, e.g.no moss or algae growth
• That primary and escape lighting is in working order
• That any necessary signs are in place and are unobstructed
Immediate action should be taken to remedy any faults found during the check.
It is wise to scrape and re-paint a metal fire escape at regular intervals to ensure that it remains in a safe condition and to avoid the need for major and expensive structural repairs, which may put large areas of the building out of use.

Regular Checks should be completed on a regular basis and perhaps a yearly Structural Check by a competent person to assess any corrosion or Damage



With respect Gerry, no one is going to check daily the above bullet point list.
SBH  
#4 Posted : 07 June 2016 09:08:30(UTC)
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SBH

We powerwash ours and inspect them every 12 months

SBH
Ian Bell2  
#5 Posted : 07 June 2016 09:33:22(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Quite agree with Ray - a totally unrealistic inspection frequency.In most office/low risk environments, it isn't going to happen.

I guess there may well be a recommended period given in a British Standard, but 12 mths seems seems reasonable to me as given by SBH - wash them down/clear algae, general check for corrosion/integrity etc.
Invictus  
#6 Posted : 07 June 2016 09:42:12(UTC)
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Invictus

Every 12 months the list above isn't the list that should be checked daily according to 9999. If you are checking fire exits open on a daily basis which is recommended then you would check that rubbish hasn't been put on or under the stairs. Checking for corrosion would normally be 12 monthly as mentioned. Moss etc should be cleaned when it occurs same as snow and ice.
watcher  
#7 Posted : 07 June 2016 10:13:15(UTC)
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watcher

gerrysharpe wrote:
INSPECTIONS

External fire escapes, (and all other means of escape in case of fire with which a building is provided), must be available for use at all times when the premises is occupied.
It is therefore recommended that an should be carried out to check the following points. Daily.

• That the doors giving access to the escape are easily open-able and open fully
• That any self closing doors which are in the vicinity of the escape are effectively self-closing
• That any fire resisting glazing adjacent to the escape is intact and fixed shut
• That the stairway, landing and route to a final place of safety (such as a roadway or car park) are unobstructed by goods, rubbish or vegetation
• That nothing is stored beneath the stairway
• That the stair treads, handrails and brackets securing the stairway to the building are in a sound condition. If there is evidence of rust on a metal stairway, it is likely that it needs a thorough inspection by a structural engineer followed by any necessary repairs and thorough treatment with weatherproof paint
• That the stair treads are non-slippery, e.g.no moss or algae growth
• That primary and escape lighting is in working order
• That any necessary signs are in place and are unobstructed
Immediate action should be taken to remedy any faults found during the check.
It is wise to scrape and re-paint a metal fire escape at regular intervals to ensure that it remains in a safe condition and to avoid the need for major and expensive structural repairs, which may put large areas of the building out of use.

Regular Checks should be completed on a regular basis and perhaps a yearly Structural Check by a competent person to assess any corrosion or Damage




This looks as if it is quoted from a document?

Could you cite your source?
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 07 June 2016 10:15:45(UTC)
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RayRapp

A block of flats miles from base who is going to carry out these 'daily' checks?

If you are not realistic about what can be achieved, then health and safety loses all credibility. Sensible safety is what should be promoted. I agree an annual inspection of metal staircases seems realistic.
gerrysharpe  
#9 Posted : 07 June 2016 11:50:58(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

You can read the full Inspection requirements here, http://www.westyorksfire...-general-177p8dybf4.docx

West Yorkshire, Fire and Rescue
Ian Bell2  
#10 Posted : 07 June 2016 12:32:52(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

The West Yorkshire document is badly worded/structured.
Yes daily checks to ensure the fire escape is unobstructed by accumulation of daily waste, the access door is unlocked.

Annual checks for moss/algae growth and structural integrity of the fire escape - this is a time dependent issue, very unlikely to occur in a short timescale.

If a large enough building with a formal facilities/building maintenance service, simply add the fire escape stairs to the maintenance plan for the building.
Invictus  
#11 Posted : 07 June 2016 12:34:34(UTC)
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Invictus

I would ask where they got this information from, I would bet they have plucked it out of the air, I would then write into my risk assessment very 2 years say and base it on your own knowledge of your work place this is only a remmendation that they have made and if they cannot justify why then I would just say we are not doing it and give the reasons why.

Daily is a bit much I wouldn't even add it to the 6 monthly checks. Don't forget your risk assessment is yours.
Graham Bullough  
#12 Posted : 07 June 2016 15:57:43(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

Russ

As with many of the questions posed on this forum, the answer depends on the particular circumstances involved. If the external metal staircase/s you have in mind are sometimes prone to having combustible rubbish/items dumped/stored under them, then regular visual inspections by or for a local manager/supervisor would be appropriate along with measures to try and prevent or at least discourage such activities. The frequency of such inspections is best tailored to the frequency and degree to which such dumping/storing occurs.

The frequency of visual/thorough examinations of the condition of the staircases will also depend on a number of factors, e.g. what they're made of (steel more prone to corrosion than say aluminium), the effectiveness of what they're painted/protected with, and also their location. For instance, some external steel staircases in coastal environments can be especially vulnerable to corrosion from moist salty conditions and therefore might merit inspections more frequently than once a year.

Graham B
mssy  
#13 Posted : 07 June 2016 20:16:13(UTC)
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mssy

Why do Fire and Rescue Services publish such nonsense?

Presumably this is the standard that West Yorks F&RS enforce during audits on their patch? Its completely over the top and flies in the face of the risk based approach as set out in the Fire Safety Order and other legislation across the UK.

It mentions the term 'daily' at either end of the checklist, so it doesn't appear to be a poor layout or a typo.

So not only do landlords need to complete daily checks to remote premises across West Yorks, the poor Landlord has no weekend or Christmas to look forward to!!!!

I will write to West Yorks and challenge this advice.
Ian Bell2  
#14 Posted : 07 June 2016 23:30:06(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

The West Yorkshire document is poor in the sense that (as I have already suggested) it should be divided into 2 sections - 'Daily checks' and 'Annual checks' (or whatever you want to call it.
RayRapp  
#15 Posted : 08 June 2016 08:23:01(UTC)
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RayRapp

I think this is so typical of guidance and standards today. Those devising these prescriptive documents give little thought to implementation and the practicalities involved.

I had a similar discussion with senior fire and rescue officers over their recent draft guidance for FRAs in 'specialised' housing stock, where they talk about combining PEEPs and FRAs. Two different documents serving two different purposes - if you want to combine them you need to amend current legislation otherwise it aint gonna happen.
mssy  
#16 Posted : 08 June 2016 17:54:02(UTC)
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mssy

Fair play to West Yorkshire Fire & Rescue. They replied to my enquiry within four hours with a very satisfactory response. If only every public authority were so efficient and open.

It seems that they agree with many of us here that the advice is suspect at best, and wrong at worst. They are going to remove the offending advice from their site before revising it

Lesson learned: Don't always believe what the Fire Service say as gospel as they are human and as fallible as the rest of us...........


Dear Mr XX

Your information request has been forwarded to me in order for me to respond to your questions.

The Public Advice Note 028 requires a review before further publication. In the meantime, I will ask for it to be removed from our Internet.

The advice was produced in-house by a Fire Safety Inspector. The advice provided in the Note is not enforceable. The maintenance requirements that we would enforce is based around a three part test. The test consists of maintaining the equipment, facilities and devices:

• In an efficient state;
• In efficient working order; and
• In good repair.

Enforcing authorities cannot impose frequencies on maintenance though a recommendation to this effect may be made.

I hope this response assists, however should you require any further assistance please contact me

Best regards
Ian Bell2  
#17 Posted : 08 June 2016 18:39:45(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Fair enough, as you say.

However, I long ago gave up taking as 'gospel' what the HSE/Fire Service say.

Its often far too idealistic/impractical.
Olwen1965  
#18 Posted : 24 September 2019 09:09:50(UTC)
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Olwen1965

does anyone have a weekly and annual inspection sheet for an external fire escape at all please, they could send to olwen1965@aol.com, i would be most grateful and unsure what to inspect (apart from the obvious)

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