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I would appreciate some comments and advice from my peers on the following scenario.
Client contacts a training provider to arrange refresher training for his operatives in confined space entry. He wants a half day course to cover the principles and a practical exercise requiring entry into a confined space at his premises. When questioned he explains that their work is mainly in sewers, drains etc. And he considers this low risk only requiring 10 minute 'self rescue' sets. For the course he wants to cover tripods, harnesses, life-lines, permits to work and the 'self rescue' sets.
I have some reservations around this, but would like to hear from others with their views on how the training provider should proceed. Thank you to everyone in advance of your responses
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No confined spaces training refresher course can be completed in half a day. You need to cover the legislation as well as the equipment. Do the operatives understand their duties imposed by the legislation and what their employers duties are.
I would like to see the companies RA and Method Statements for the type of work they undertake and also a copy of their rescue plan (very often omitted by employers as they rely on 999 (not acceptable under the ACOP).
Get these from the employer and then train to the legislation and their documents pointing out any short comings.
Send the hyperlink to L101 ACOP for working in Confined Spaces to the employer to remind them of their duties under the legislation.
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There is generally no way that you could possible complete it in half a day. The minimum would be one day which would include and element of practical training and assessment.
If however we are only talking about low risk i.e. NC1 then it could perhaps be reduced but there would have to be an individual needs assessment to back it up - how much time how many entries they had made and perhaps their scores on any pre assessment?
Just a suggestion. It really is down to what they actually face - low medium or high risk. Generally the contact time for these course are in line with the risk level - 1 day for low 2 for medium and 3 for high risk.
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Looks like they have a box to tick and want to do it as cheaply as possible
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I had a similar situation on site regarding CS. The manager called a confined space a place of restricted access. I argued but was shot down. I don't work there anymore!
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Having worked in the industry on the surveying side sewers & drains can be very deep (over 25m) with various landings & rest points but deceptively small looking on the road (1 or 2 manhole covers).
As others have mentioned it will be interesting to see what their safe systems of work cover especially in terms of rescue.
Another side that training does not cover is the weight & awkwardness of a flow monitor being carried down a fixed ladder for example...
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We work every day in sewers and drains for Water companies: I don't know of any who would allow entry without the C&G Confined Spaces training course which covers the Water UK classification of CS entry (assuming the Water Company knew about the entry in the first place, of course!). The refresher is not half a day, even for Medium Risk entries..
Sewers/Drains are very rarely "low risk": "ordinary" ones are usually medium risk (Cat 2); the deeper, larger ones Bern Daley refers to obviously have a higher classification. Show the client this reference: http://www.breakingnews....wer-accident-681715.html - and note that this happened to an "experienced" contractor. There are many others that can be found via our friend Mr. Google.
Bern: In reference to the carrying of a flow monitor down a fixed ladder: don't do it. Attach the monitor to a line and lower it in below the operative, who can then descend to fix it in place. The monitor should always be attached to a line at these times to prevent it falling and a) injuring someone, and/or b) causing a blockage.
(Gets off hobbyhorse).....
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