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Anne Payne  
#1 Posted : 08 June 2016 15:48:17(UTC)
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Anne Payne

Within our organisation the Control of contractors has lived with either the Estates Department or those who bring contractors on to the site however a senior manager has decided to rewrite the policy place the responsibility solely on the Health and Safety Manager. This person has given the H&S manager actions and responsibility well out of their normal remit including monitoring the work being carried out, responsible for risk assessments and method statements and in some cases providing the contractor with H&S advice and guidance for the contractors work activity. This is remove all of the responsibility for contractors from the Estates Department etc. I believe that this is leaving this person out to dry!!!! your thoughts please.
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 08 June 2016 16:02:33(UTC)
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RayRapp

Anne, an interesting but not unique scenario. Someone within your organisation must take some responsibility for contractors and their work. In most cases I would ask what does your company policy state? Not much use asking that on this occasion.

I think there should be shared duties in most cases. For example, the health and safety dept should be checking their documents i.e. RAMS/CPP and possibly they are an approved contractor. Whoever directly engages the contractor should give the contractor's staff an induction, permit to work and possibly some level of supervision if required.

It's one of those, no real right or wrongs - it's what works.
James Robinson  
#3 Posted : 08 June 2016 16:52:24(UTC)
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James Robinson

This new Policy has redirected the responsibility from one area to another. Use HSG 65 as your friend, as a policy which is not resourced is just a piece of paper. So work out what is needed to implement this policy (may be nothing/training/staff/pots of money) and put in a request.
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 08 June 2016 17:11:20(UTC)
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bob youel

Can U identify just what the word 'responsibility' really means as this is important e.g. Responsible for the issuing of contracts, pricing, letting contracts, design, acting as client, procurement, quality, environmental etc. etc. and which areas are covered or is it just the H&S areas. And questions to management such as 'What would happen if I throw a contractor off site /or stop them working [which will cost £]' and similar are neededs as in my view this is buck passing and the person concerned is deliberately setting up H&S for a big fall - nothing new here then! And note that in law all supervisers at all levels irrespective of their individual role in a busines are responsible for the management of H&S irrespective of what an individual wants
Ian Bell2  
#5 Posted : 08 June 2016 17:47:58(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I would question the practicality of managing contractors in the way the manager wants to do it. Surely the h&s guy has other things to do (as well)!!
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 08 June 2016 22:47:04(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I've always gone with the principle that responsibility rests with whoever engages/appoints the contractor. Foisting all this on h&s shows a poor understanding, presupposing that the only risk potential will relate to safety (very rarely occ. health). An incompetent policy surely.
HSSnail  
#7 Posted : 09 June 2016 08:59:41(UTC)
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HSSnail

Not forgetting that ultimate responsibility lies with the "employer" this may be a corporate body, director or possibly in this case the "senior manager" who appears to be trying to "pass the buck". If the Health and Safety manager is being made responsible - and I agree that clarification is needed on that meaning, then the employer must ensure that they have the Training, Experience, Time and all the other factors stated in the management regs to fulfill that responsibility.

If something goes wrong an inspector would not just look at a policy that says the H&S manager is responsible and ignore everyone else.
PIKEMAN  
#8 Posted : 09 June 2016 09:15:45(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

How do you know that it is a H&S "Guy" and not a "Gal". Sigh.
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