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Just seen the 7.45am weather slot presented by 'our Carol'.
Presented from Stratford on Avon.
'Our Carol' was standing on a tourist open topped boat, quite clearly still moored to the river bank.
The Avon at Stratford isn't exactly a raging torrent. Ducks were paddling past etc.
Yet 'Our Carol' was presenting fully kitted out with a life jacket.....
Would normal tourists enjoying a river pleasure trip be expected to wear a life jacket when on board the boat.....no.
Why is 'Our Carol' at greater risk?
BBC h&s gone mad in my view
Apologies for the 'tabloid' header to this thread!!!
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Probably because "Our Carol" is in a workplace scenario and The BBC have a normal duty of care to its employees.
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There is a duty of care to the boat passengers by the boat owner.
They are more at risk than 'our Carol' - actually out on the river and moving etc - risk of boat to boat collision, hitting the river bank etc.
When you go to York or Chester etc passengers on pleasure boats don't wear life jackets as a matter of course.
How can 2 different h&s departments (BBC & the boat owner) arrive a 2 levels of risk control? The probable higher risk scenario of being out on the water being considered to be less risk than moored to the river bank?
What happened to risk assessment?
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Simple finance, I would think. To provide one life jacket to a weather girl is not such an issue, to provide one for all the passengers on a pleasure boat would be.
I suspect the insurers had a say in this as well.
Given the current hot spell, I would think she would be more at risk of heat exhaustion wearing the jacket than drowning.
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Have you seen how much Carol is worth? If she drown the insurance claim would be a bit more than if I did due to lost earning potential that's for sure!
And I think there in lies the real demon as we all know its not health and safety at all!
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I wonder if the cameraman and the sound-man were given a life jacket too...
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Ian Bell2 wrote:Just seen the 7.45am weather slot presented by 'our Carol'.
Presented from Stratford on Avon.
'Our Carol' was standing on a tourist open topped boat, quite clearly still moored to the river bank.
The Avon at Stratford isn't exactly a raging torrent. Ducks were paddling past etc.
Yet 'Our Carol' was presenting fully kitted out with a life jacket.....
Would normal tourists enjoying a river pleasure trip be expected to wear a life jacket when on board the boat.....no.
Why is 'Our Carol' at greater risk?
BBC h&s gone mad in my view
Apologies for the 'tabloid' header to this thread!!!
Ha ha I like this, so funny.
Are these IOSH members the same ones who criticise the TV companies when they do not adhere to H&S like the Big Build and the Soaps.
For once the BBC get it right and they are criticised ha ha haaaaaaa
One point is it makes sense to take precautions in advance of exposure to the risk.
Another point is tourists would do well to heed the same advice but they are not at work so don't have to.
Well done BBC.
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I just wonder how 2 different h&s advisers can arrive at different answers for the same risk.
In the Yorkshire tourist town I live in, complete with tourist trips on the river - nobody wears life jackets.
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I went on a row boat on a lake, in a park, in Tunbridge Wells with my family and we all had to wear a life jacket.
It could be that Carol was standing and presenting rather than simply sitting down admiring the views?
It could be that the river is tidal - would that make a difference(?)
It could be the size/ make of the boat perhaps?
Or it could simply be because she was on a boat and someone at the beeb thought it would look good, thus have nothing to do with H&S.
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I once went on a pleasure cruise on the Shropshire Union Canal in Chester, and as part of the introductions on board, the captain told people that life jackets were under their seats.
A growing sense of panic was palpable as people checked under their seats and couldn't find anything, only for the smiling captain to further announce that "actually, it's only a few feet deep, so if we sink, just get out and walk to the bank".
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Ian Bell2 wrote:I just wonder how 2 different h&s advisers can arrive at different answers for the same risk.
In the Yorkshire tourist town I live in, complete with tourist trips on the river - nobody wears life jackets.
And nobody wears hobmailed boots anymore because they are dangerous because you can 'make sparks. Then again a life jacket wouldn;t help a yorkshire man, in his tweed and hobnailed boots and flat cap, but he wouldn't drown in case someone inherited his money. Have a nice bottle of stout tonight our Jud!
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Invictus wrote:Ian Bell2 wrote:I just wonder how 2 different h&s advisers can arrive at different answers for the same risk.
In the Yorkshire tourist town I live in, complete with tourist trips on the river - nobody wears life jackets.
And nobody wears hobmailed boots anymore because they are dangerous because you can 'make sparks. Then again a life jacket wouldn;t help a yorkshire man, in his tweed and hobnailed boots and flat cap, but he wouldn't drown in case someone inherited his money. Have a nice bottle of stout tonight our Jud!
Invictus I am making a habit of quoting you this week but as a Yorkshire man I would just like to point out - we don't all drink stout!
Thank you.
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Brian Hagyard wrote:Invictus wrote:Ian Bell2 wrote:I just wonder how 2 different h&s advisers can arrive at different answers for the same risk.
In the Yorkshire tourist town I live in, complete with tourist trips on the river - nobody wears life jackets.
And nobody wears hobmailed boots anymore because they are dangerous because you can 'make sparks. Then again a life jacket wouldn;t help a yorkshire man, in his tweed and hobnailed boots and flat cap, but he wouldn't drown in case someone inherited his money. Have a nice bottle of stout tonight our Jud!
Invictus I am making a habit of quoting you this week but as a Yorkshire man I would just like to point out - we don't all drink stout!
Thank you.
My apologise, sometimes there are some things I can't resist!
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Invictus wrote:And nobody wears hobmailed boots anymore because they are dangerous because you can 'make sparks. Then again a life jacket wouldn;t help a yorkshire man, in his tweed and hobnailed boots and flat cap, but he wouldn't drown in case someone inherited his money. Have a nice bottle of stout tonight our Jud!
But when we have finished our drink, we can expect our car in the pub car park to still have its wheels
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But when we have finished our drink, we can expect our car in the pub car park to still have its wheels
At least your stereotype has been updated to refer to wheels. Most insults on this topic still refer to hubcaps......
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walker wrote:Invictus wrote:And nobody wears hobmailed boots anymore because they are dangerous because you can 'make sparks. Then again a life jacket wouldn;t help a yorkshire man, in his tweed and hobnailed boots and flat cap, but he wouldn't drown in case someone inherited his money. Have a nice bottle of stout tonight our Jud!
But when we have finished our drink, we can expect our car in the pub car park to still have its wheels
Yea but it's hard to lift a cart as the horse is still attached'. Do you and your mam go the shops for bread. 'Hovis' and have real butter for tea.
Anyway I wasn't sterotyoing anyone so why are you. And our carol should wear a life jacket maybe she can't swim. Only added that now the moderators won't look to close at the posts. 'DOH'
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Where I've just been on holiday, Florida, they all expect their wheels to be on their cars after a day at work, they also have to look for Alligators underneath before they approach the car.
Now I wonder why wheels don't go missing.
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It must be the weather causing an array of odd posts.
Anyway back to the lovely Carol and her life jacket. Any comparison with a bunch of tourists on a boat is like comparing apples with pears. Do you people complete RAs, if so, cannot you not see the difference?
Just in case, boats are designed to carry people safely on water. They are either fitted with life jackets (if required), life buoy, or emergency dinghy, etc. A person standing on water's edge may conceivably fall in and if they cannot swim they will have about 2 minutes before drowning. A life jacket is a cheap and easy control. Some may see it as a bit OTT, really depends how close you get to the water's edge I suppose.
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Ian do you write for a newspaper your headline 'BBC weather girl nearly drowns' is a bit dramatic isn't it. Wht she nearly drowned yet all it was that she didn't have a life jacket on. Now if she had fell in then maybe but come on!
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Invictus wrote: Why she nearly drowned yet all it was that she didn't have a life jacket on. Now if she had fell in then maybe but come on!
Invictus,
Carol WAS wearing a life jacket, try reading the first message of the thread.
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Brian Hagyard wrote:Invictus wrote:Ian Bell2 wrote:I just wonder how 2 different h&s advisers can arrive at different answers for the same risk.
In the Yorkshire tourist town I live in, complete with tourist trips on the river - nobody wears life jackets.
And nobody wears hobmailed boots anymore because they are dangerous because you can 'make sparks. Then again a life jacket wouldn;t help a yorkshire man, in his tweed and hobnailed boots and flat cap, but he wouldn't drown in case someone inherited his money. Have a nice bottle of stout tonight our Jud!
Invictus I am making a habit of quoting you this week but as a Yorkshire man I would just like to point out - we don't all drink stout!
Thank you.
You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much!
I'm a Yorkshireman, so I'm allowed to say that.
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JohnW wrote:Invictus wrote: Why she nearly drowned yet all it was that she didn't have a life jacket on. Now if she had fell in then maybe but come on!
Invictus,
Carol WAS wearing a life jacket, try reading the first message of the thread.
It's the heat!
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Invictus
Have you been in Smokie Moes or Tess Riley's trying to cool down ?
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Yes, HOT!
I'm home now after driving around Northamptonshire 30+ temperatures wearing a hi-vis top and trousers and hard hat! At least I had air-con and I wasn't digging and jack-hammering tarmac!!
So hot, after being out of the car for 1/2 hour my (left on) windscreen-mounted sat-nav shut down, message said 'precaution to avoid damage due to high temperature, please place sat-nav in shade'!
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38 degrees in Frorida but bearable due to Aircon everywhere.
I can't cope with this 30 degrees at home because I do not have Aircon at home.
No Gaters here though.
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Perhaps we are all missing the point here
This is TV and this is entertainment.
Carol may well be wearing a fire tunic on if she was at a fire station even though she ain't ever going to be getting within a country mile of a fire.
Or maybe a full chemical protection suit if she was at Sellafield, despite not being allowed to play with uranium
Its probably more show business than H&S,which is why in RA terms, it makes no sense for her to be kitted up in floaty jackets in a moored , when others are passing by on boats wearing no PPE
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firesafety101 wrote:38 degrees in Frorida but bearable due to Aircon everywhere.
I can't cope with this 30 degrees at home because I do not have Aircon at home.
No Gaters here though.
Sad! if your in florida and coming on this site!
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Kloppite wrote:Invictus
Have you been in Smokie Moes or Tess Riley's trying to cool down ?
Yes but my smokie moes loyalty card has been turned down so I now have to pay full price! such is life.
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I walked out of the air conditioned office into the street and it was like getting off the plane on holiday, what a great feeling! I have already had people complaining it's too hot. I say keep it coming nothing better. Anyone complaining is sad just drink more water and enjoy. No risk assessments for me, even had a meeting outside just like school.
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An air conditioned office, bleeding privileged workers.
And i've said before, Smokie Moes is rubbish (all of them). Surprised you don't go to Kozy's...
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Sorry doesn't everyone have air conditioning! Try Cheeky Jacks I have a loyalty card for there as well. Normally start in slater street cause it's cheap.
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Invictus wrote:firesafety101 wrote:38 degrees in Frorida but bearable due to Aircon everywhere.
I can't cope with this 30 degrees at home because I do not have Aircon at home.
No Gaters here though.
Sad! if your in florida and coming on this site!
Ha ha haaaaaaaaa. If you read what I wrote properley you will see I am at home now.
Jumped in Feet first just to be the smart ass, oh and by the way in this technological (big word but you may have seen it before) world I can post from anywhere there is wifi.
Keep enjoying the heat for as long as you can take it.
"Be careful out there".
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BBC weather girl nearly burst into flames
Well, I bet there was a fire extinguisher near by!
Why does the weather person need to be on location at all? All I want to know is will it rain /snow or stay dry. And no I don't want to go on the Internet to find out what it will do in two days time, I want them to tell me. Also on a Wednesday I want to be told what it is likely to do on the weekend (not wait to Friday to find out).
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firesafety101 wrote:Invictus wrote:firesafety101 wrote:38 degrees in Frorida but bearable due to Aircon everywhere.
I can't cope with this 30 degrees at home because I do not have Aircon at home.
No Gaters here though.
Sad! if your in florida and coming on this site!
Ha ha haaaaaaaaa. If you read what I wrote properley you will see I am at home now.
Jumped in Feet first just to be the smart ass, oh and by the way in this technological (big word but you may have seen it before) world I can post from anywhere there is wifi.
Keep enjoying the heat for as long as you can take it.
"Be careful out there".
I read what you wrote "properly" (sic) and it wasn't clear that you were at home now.
I'm not sure what is added to threads by your nasty, personal comments
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Unfortunately the autocorrect spelled properly correctly
Oh for an edit button
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JohnW wrote:Yes, HOT!
I'm home now after driving around Northamptonshire 30+ temperatures wearing a hi-vis top and trousers and hard hat! At least I had air-con and I wasn't digging and jack-hammering tarmac!!
So hot, after being out of the car for 1/2 hour my (left on) windscreen-mounted sat-nav shut down, message said 'precaution to avoid damage due to high temperature, please place sat-nav in shade'!
You wear a hard hat and high-vis to drive the car? Things must be more dangerous in Northamptonshire than I thought!
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Ha Ha,
I'm driving around various sites in the county, I'm not going to change out of hi-vis between journeys. I have to stop and park usually inside the safety zones or inside the traffic management zone, but sometimes on a busy highway the zone is too small, or if access obstructed, putting beacon on, sometimes immediately halting approaching traffic, so yes I have to wear the full hi-vis uniform at all times even when driving. Oh yes, hat off when driving :o)
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