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Auchie00  
#1 Posted : 04 August 2016 09:02:06(UTC)
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Auchie00

Hi All, I am one of the quiet members for posting but log on a couple of times per week to try and keep up to date. So just heard back today that I was not being taken through to the 3rd interview stage with a major energy supplier (Australia), the only feedback I got was centred around leadership and management and how the lead professional was needing to have these skills more so than HSE knowledge. In fact the group safety manager does not hold any safety qualifications either (holds an MBA), so this has led me to spending this afternoon thinking about this situation. I have not much thought in the past about group / business safety leaders not having a background in HSE, really thought it was just an expectation but now thinking that the skills of leading, engaging and influence can possibly trump HSE. The ability to have all skills is surely a better situation but is this something to expect in business as they years roll on? Would be good to hear thoughts and possibly others experiences in this? Chris
Clark34486  
#2 Posted : 04 August 2016 09:46:51(UTC)
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Clark34486

Really interesting, the new statutory H&S Director appointed by my company has no quals at all I mentioned in an earlier discussion on this forum about my fears moving forward (Reg.7 MHSAWA) etc. the tories and their 'red tape', reduction in resource for HSE I strongly believe that the future is less 'CMIOSH, DipNEBOSH, MIIRSM RSP, etc etc etc' and more 'director, manager, supervisor'
Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 04 August 2016 09:57:18(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Most Health & Safety Policies are signed by.... the CEO, MD or whoever is the most senior manager within a business / location. Occasionally I have encountered such signatories who have been on the Directing or Managing Safely courses but these individuals have been very few and far between. The first Safety Manager I ever encountered was incredibly knowledgeable and well educated in H&S matters but unfortunately his interpersonal skills were woefully lacking. In consequence there were exceptional documents and well designed controls that sat in files gathering dust whilst the workforce carried on regardless due to the inability to engage. As the business movers and shakers pick up on terms such as behavioural safety it is inevitable leaders and influencers become better suited to heading up a business H&S function and in consequence recruitment specifications will head in such a direction
Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 04 August 2016 09:57:18(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Most Health & Safety Policies are signed by.... the CEO, MD or whoever is the most senior manager within a business / location. Occasionally I have encountered such signatories who have been on the Directing or Managing Safely courses but these individuals have been very few and far between. The first Safety Manager I ever encountered was incredibly knowledgeable and well educated in H&S matters but unfortunately his interpersonal skills were woefully lacking. In consequence there were exceptional documents and well designed controls that sat in files gathering dust whilst the workforce carried on regardless due to the inability to engage. As the business movers and shakers pick up on terms such as behavioural safety it is inevitable leaders and influencers become better suited to heading up a business H&S function and in consequence recruitment specifications will head in such a direction
Mr.Flibble2.0  
#5 Posted : 04 August 2016 15:16:17(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble2.0

I believe you have picked up on something that people on this forum and other safety professionals seems to miss, especially when job hunting. Safety knowledge, qualification and experience are about 50% part of the role as crazy as it seems; leadership, being able to influence, management skills, IT etc are all what companies want. I have never once been asked specific H&S questions at a job interview.
Clark34486  
#6 Posted : 04 August 2016 15:24:23(UTC)
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Clark34486

Mr.Flibble2.0 wrote:
I believe you have picked up on something that people on this forum and other safety professionals seems to miss, especially when job hunting. Safety knowledge, qualification and experience are about 50% part of the role as crazy as it seems; leadership, being able to influence, management skills, IT etc are all what companies want. I have never once been asked specific H&S questions at a job interview.
Generally someone from HR and a random director interviewing you.....all read from a nicely 'googled' A4 question sheet
Mr.Flibble2.0  
#7 Posted : 04 August 2016 15:53:26(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble2.0

Ha oh I've had some of those interviews! You have to love the whole 'what would you friends say about you if they were asked' question! But i've also been interviewed by Group Safety Managers and other safety Managers and its not all about safety qualifications!
Nicola Kemmery  
#8 Posted : 04 August 2016 17:11:55(UTC)
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Nicola Kemmery

I think it is important to have the H&S knowledge and experience and this can be seen largely from the CV and the qualifications that the person has. IOSH membership level is also an indication. At interview there is an element of testing the range and depth of the candidates' knowledge and experience. However, if they cannot communicate well and influence others they will not be able to make the business impact and motivate/support others to manage H&S. That is why recruiters often focus more on the non-technical skills at interview - in my experience. This has been recognised in the new IOSH Blueprint tool with many non-technical skills being included as well as the core H&S knowledge and skills.
Muhamad Fahad  
#9 Posted : 04 August 2016 21:22:14(UTC)
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Muhamad Fahad

Hi guys, I am medical doctor, I am new to this forum, really wanted to know the prospect for doctors as health and safety officer. I would appreciate your insight.
Auchie00  
#10 Posted : 04 August 2016 23:29:24(UTC)
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Auchie00

Thanks for the comments, I guess one thing is for sure is that we/I will have to respond to what the job market is looking for and if this is more centred around managing and influencing then so be it. Interestingly also, last year I was fortunate enough to receive a call from the CEO of the Australian version of IOSH and he was querying why I had not taken up my yearly subscription, to make a long story short he told me that within their structure to achieve Chartered membership a MBA would suffice even without any safety qualifications. Maybe the vision for managing safety in the workplace is a bit more developed with these other skills than it would previously have been thought of. Chris
WatsonD  
#11 Posted : 08 August 2016 08:48:12(UTC)
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WatsonD

I can see where this company is coming from. I think its good they are not just looking at filling a role with some qualifications. What we need from our H&S practitioners is an ability to drive H&S and engage with workers at all levels. Your CV will show your quals and experience, which is why you got the interview; now at the interview you need to show how you will fit the organisation and manage H&S at all levels.
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